Home | Webstore
Latest News: OOTP 25 Available - FHM 10 Available - OOTP Go! Available

Out of the Park Baseball 25 Buy Now!

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Prior Versions of Our Games > Out of the Park Baseball 16 > OOTP 16 - General Discussions

OOTP 16 - General Discussions Discuss the new 2015 version of Out of the Park Baseball here!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-19-2015, 01:20 AM   #1
polydamas
All Star Reserve
 
polydamas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 598
The Stopper Role

I love using this in my fictional league as I want the best reliever in the game in the most crucial innings rather than just saving them for the 9th. However, when I started a new mlb game it was no longer an option for my bullpen.

I know this must be a noob question, but I'm not sure where else to consult for this answer. Why is the deal with the stopper role? Why can I get it in some games, but not others? Can I re-enable it in my mlb game?
polydamas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 01:45 AM   #2
RchW
Hall Of Famer
 
RchW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The big smoke
Posts: 15,628
I do almost nothing but fictional and have never seen this role. Can you show me where it appears?

Edit:

My understanding is that a "stopper" is a starting pitcher not a reliever. Closers have been closers for 30+ years
__________________
Cheers

RichW

#stopthestupid

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

Last edited by RchW; 05-19-2015 at 01:47 AM.
RchW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 01:53 AM   #3
Questdog
Hall Of Famer
 
Questdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases......
Posts: 16,142
In League Setup, under Stats & AI, set the "Use of Closers" setting to Normal or lower and the Stopper role will be available.

The Stopper role is intended to mimic the use of relief aces prior to the onset of the current 9th inning only nonsense.

Last edited by Questdog; 05-19-2015 at 01:54 AM.
Questdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 01:54 AM   #4
Rain King
Hall Of Famer
 
Rain King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,077
I think the stopper role is only available in certain historical era's.

*edit* Or what Questdog said.
Rain King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:02 AM   #5
RchW
Hall Of Famer
 
RchW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: The big smoke
Posts: 15,628
Thanks for that. I still find it strange that pitchers like Seaver and Jenkins were referred to as "stoppers" for their ability to "stop" losing streaks.

Am I imagining this?

Edit: no

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/stor...#ixzz1YpL9u5g6
__________________
Cheers

RichW

#stopthestupid

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit
RchW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 08:28 AM   #6
italyprof
All Star Reserve
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 975
The Stopper role is a relief pitcher role, and tends to be the RP with the most innings pitched over the course of the season, but by sometime around the 1970s in historical leagues, maybe early 1980s it disappears and is replaced entirely with "Closer". The only way to avoid that substitution - and I too prefer the Stopper - for reasons you stated in the original post here - is to unclick "automatica adjust league strategy".
italyprof is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 08:29 AM   #7
'94 EXPOS
Major Leagues
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by RchW View Post
Thanks for that. I still find it strange that pitchers like Seaver and Jenkins were referred to as "stoppers" for their ability to "stop" losing streaks.

Am I imagining this?

Edit: no

Tigers ace Verlander again stellar in stopper role | MLB | Sporting News

You are most correct. I had the same question when I first heard about the term in OOTP. The way OOTP uses the term actually makes more sense.
'94 EXPOS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 11:14 AM   #8
rrrozz
Minors (Rookie Ball)
 
rrrozz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by RchW View Post
Thanks for that. I still find it strange that pitchers like Seaver and Jenkins were referred to as "stoppers" for their ability to "stop" losing streaks.

Am I imagining this?

Edit: no

Tigers ace Verlander again stellar in stopper role | MLB | Sporting News
"The New York Yankees of the late 1970s and early 1980s arguably pioneered the set-up/closer configuration, which is used by every team today. The most effective pairing was Ron Davis and Gossage, with Davis typically entering the game in the 7th or 8th innings and Gossage finishing up. During one stretch with that pairing, the Yankees won 77 of 79 games in which they led after six innings.

Gossage and top relievers of his era were known as firemen, relievers who entered the game when a lead was in jeopardy—usually with men on base—and regardless of the inning and often pitching two or three innings while finishing the game.[15][16][17] Gossage had 17 games where he recorded at least 10 outs in his first season as a closer, including three games where he went seven innings. He pitched over 130 innings as a reliever in three different seasons.[16] He had more saves of at least two innings than saves where he pitched one inning or less"
rrrozz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 11:19 AM   #9
Padreman
Hall Of Famer
 
Padreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.)
Posts: 4,140
Blog Entries: 1
What if your league uses both stopper and closer will saves in general
Drop in numbers?
__________________

Chargers= Despicable Traitors
Padreman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 11:37 AM   #10
thelonius
Minors (Rookie Ball)
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by rrrozz View Post
"The New York Yankees of the late 1970s and early 1980s arguably pioneered the set-up/closer configuration, which is used by every team today. The most effective pairing was Ron Davis and Gossage, with Davis typically entering the game in the 7th or 8th innings and Gossage finishing up. During one stretch with that pairing, the Yankees won 77 of 79 games in which they led after six innings.

Gossage and top relievers of his era were known as firemen, relievers who entered the game when a lead was in jeopardy—usually with men on base—and regardless of the inning and often pitching two or three innings while finishing the game.[15][16][17] Gossage had 17 games where he recorded at least 10 outs in his first season as a closer, including three games where he went seven innings. He pitched over 130 innings as a reliever in three different seasons.[16] He had more saves of at least two innings than saves where he pitched one inning or less"
I went to a game when I was a kid where Gossage blew a lead and stayed in to pitch seven innings.

August 2, 1978 Boston Red Sox at New York Yankees Play by Play and Box Score | Baseball-Reference.com

I really prefer the term fireman to stopper when you're talking about a reliever who comes in right when the other team is getting a late-inning rally going. Helps avoid confusion with the other kind of starting pitcher stopper.

Tim McCarver was constantly referring to Mariano Rivera as a stopper even though Rivera usually acted as a traditional closer.
thelonius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 01:43 PM   #11
jaysdailydose
Hall Of Famer
 
jaysdailydose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,325
Rollie Fingers is the best example of the "stopper."
__________________
Manager - Motor City Marshals
Perfect Manager/Discord Name: jaysdailydose
jaysdailydose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:09 PM   #12
Padreman
Hall Of Famer
 
Padreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.)
Posts: 4,140
Blog Entries: 1
So if the league used both a stopper and a closer will it go back to the era were saves were fewer number or Will the saves be distributed between both the stopper and the closer?
__________________

Chargers= Despicable Traitors
Padreman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:21 PM   #13
Noone_Uknow
Minors (Single A)
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Mississauga, Ontario
Posts: 58
You would expect Holds to become a more important stat that it is today. If you bring in your stopper to protect a 1 run lead in the 7th inning and have your team score a bunch in the 8th, the stopper would be credited with the Hold but there would be no Save (unless you keep him in for the three innings). Overall Saves would probably remain pretty consistent.
Noone_Uknow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:40 PM   #14
Padreman
Hall Of Famer
 
Padreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.)
Posts: 4,140
Blog Entries: 1
So a stopper is like a setup man/Closer Hybrib? I just don't understand how the AI will handle having a closet stopper and setup man they seem interchangeble
__________________

Chargers= Despicable Traitors
Padreman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:48 PM   #15
jaysdailydose
Hall Of Famer
 
jaysdailydose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,325
Quote:
Originally Posted by Padreman View Post
So a stopper is like a setup man/Closer Hybrib? I just don't understand how the AI will handle having a closet stopper and setup man they seem interchangeble
If I recall correctly, when I've had the stopper role available, the game didn't present a setup or closer by default. That was in 15 so YMMV.

The AI handles it based on the strategy settings you set in "Stats and AI." I seem to remember around 30-40 saves winding up being the usual save numbers for the year but I don't recall if I still have the league for exact data.
__________________
Manager - Motor City Marshals
Perfect Manager/Discord Name: jaysdailydose
jaysdailydose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:53 PM   #16
Padreman
Hall Of Famer
 
Padreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.)
Posts: 4,140
Blog Entries: 1
I have one minor league in my game that offers the stopper but it also has the closer and Setup man which I found weird that only one of my minor leagues did that
__________________

Chargers= Despicable Traitors
Padreman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2015, 02:54 PM   #17
jaysdailydose
Hall Of Famer
 
jaysdailydose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,325
From Wiki on "Closer"

In baseball, a closing pitcher, more frequently referred to as a closer (abbreviated CL), is a relief pitcher who specializes in getting the final outs in a close game when his team is leading. The role is often assigned to a team's best reliever. Before the 1990s, pitchers in similar roles were referred to as a fireman, short reliever, and stopper. A small number of closers have won the Cy Young Award. Dennis Eckersley, Rollie Fingers, Goose Gossage, Bruce Sutter and Hoyt Wilhelm are closers who have been elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame.
__________________
Manager - Motor City Marshals
Perfect Manager/Discord Name: jaysdailydose
jaysdailydose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2017, 07:11 PM   #18
Mike Lowe
Hall Of Famer
 
Mike Lowe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,129
Is this all still accurate in OOTP 18? It seems that this is now an option even in mode leagues.
__________________
Franchise. Sliders.
@MikeLowe47 | YouTube | Discord
Mike Lowe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2021, 03:06 AM   #19
Shergie
Bat Boy
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by RchW View Post
I do almost nothing but fictional and have never seen this role. Can you show me where it appears?

Edit:

My understanding is that a "stopper" is a starting pitcher not a reliever. Closers have been closers for 30+ years
Im responding to your quote about conservatism, you mind explaining it? It looks like nonsense to me but maybe im not understanding it…im not conservative or liberal but ive found from simple observation that if either of them exhibit “rules for me but not for the” it would definitely not be conservatives. In the minds of people on the left, There are clearly different sets of rules depending on your affiliation
Shergie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:57 AM.

 

Major League and Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of Major League Baseball. Visit MLB.com and MiLB.com.

Officially Licensed Product – MLB Players, Inc.

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2023 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2020 Out of the Park Developments