What's the release date? - Page 4

deanemj · 11-22-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor No

I'd definitely buy an NFL version - the fact that nothing's topped Front Page Sports Football since the late 1990s (in my mind) is very sad indeed.

Despite my somewhat-flippant remark above, I'd likely even buy the NBA version (primarily so that I could move the Carpetbaggers back to Seattle

).

A football version has been asked for about a thousand times (or more, honestly) and every time the developers have said, "No." I don't know why, exactly, but they seem to be dead set against making a football sim. I know that one of the OOTP guys said that he just didn't know anything about football, so it would be difficult to produce a quality game about it. I can sympathize with that, but man...an OOTP for football would be amazing.

damientheomen3 · 11-22-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by deanemj

A football version has been asked for about a thousand times (or more, honestly) and every time the developers have said, "No." I don't know why, exactly, but they seem to be dead set against making a football sim. I know that one of the OOTP guys said that he just didn't know anything about football, so it would be difficult to produce a quality game about it. I can sympathize with that, but man...an OOTP for football would be amazing.

Because football is extremely difficult to make work. To realistically simulate the contract process, to put out some way to see the performance of your offensive linemen without having to watch the games, to simulate the intricate plays of football that affect players so strongly, and other things seems damn near impossible. Case in point: Justin Smith has been one of the best defensive players for the last few years, but his stats reflect those of a good but not great player for a multitude of reasons. How would you be able to simulate those reasons?

fredreed · 11-22-2012, 08:58 PM

Most likely if the NHL season is canceled it will not affect sales. The one thing that might change would be the rosters. They would likely I would think that they would have to use last seasons rosters. I am sure that they will announce sooner rather then later news on release of the game.

Orioles1966 · 11-23-2012, 10:50 AM

Any word on how long it will take to play a game(regulation time or overtime)? Would like too see the option of giving a team 3 points for regulation win,2 points for overtime or shootout win and one point for overtime or shootout loss(would really prefer 0 points for losing game at any point).

CNOSLIM · 12-01-2012, 03:56 PM

greydogsoftware.com -- is creating a football sim, not sure when it will be released but it said to still be in production

dave1927p · 12-02-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CNOSLIM

greydogsoftware.com -- is creating a football sim, not sure when it will be released but it said to still be in production

i think it is still planned on being completed but it's on hold right now. So that's never promising.

mickey7 · 12-04-2012, 12:16 PM

You two are talking about a game that was announced "in development" on January 20th 2007---six years ago !!! You really think it will ever be released ???

Cryomaniac · 12-04-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey7

You two are talking about a game that was announced "in development" on January 20th 2007---six years ago !!! You really think it will ever be released ???

Even Duke Nukem Forever was eventually released

damientheomen3 · 12-04-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey7

You two are talking about a game that was announced "in development" on January 20th 2007---six years ago !!! You really think it will ever be released ???

Gary recently said that he's continuing work on it and it's either his main project currently or upcoming. Or something to that effect.

Germaniac · 12-05-2012, 04:18 AM

I know it's stupid that we all ask for any kind of news again and again ...

But hey, these guys definitely sit in front of their computers and have access to the internet ... why not post a short "That's where we are right now" here on the boards ?

tward13 · 12-05-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Germaniac

I know it's stupid that we all ask for any kind of news again and again ...

But hey, these guys definitely sit in front of their computers and have access to the internet ... why not post a short "That's where we are right now" here on the boards ?

You answered your own question.

Anything they posted here would be met with pages of questions and speculation and demands for answers to the quesitons and speculation. Just let them work and get back to us when there's something concrete to report.

mickey7 · 12-05-2012, 01:25 PM

Damien, Gary is at Wolverine Studios not Greydog---Greydog is Arlie's company and I don't believe he's made any recent comments about the pro football game.

Omegatron · 12-05-2012, 02:26 PM

Love how the subject has changed from release date to why not make a different sim. But my opinion on why not a football sim or basketball sim, is the fact that both Baseball and Hockey have a more complex system then the others. Not saying that baseball and hockey are better than football and basketball, but they're more suited for sims. Just how the leagues are setup in general is what makes them better suited for a sim.

damientheomen3 · 12-05-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey7

Damien, Gary is at Wolverine Studios not Greydog---Greydog is Arlie's company and I don't believe he's made any recent comments about the pro football game.

Oh wow. I don't even consider Greydog's promised football sim because Arlie does just about jack **** aside from make empty promises. Adam Ryland is a fantastic developer (my second favorite to Markus) and I find it ludicrous that Arlie still gets a lot of the credit. But yeah, Gary over at Wolverine Studios is working on a football game that doesn't sound too, too far off.

Cryomaniac · 12-05-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Omegatron

Love how the subject has changed from release date to why not make a different sim. But my opinion on why not a football sim or basketball sim, is the fact that both Baseball and Hockey have a more complex system then the others. Not saying that baseball and hockey are better than football and basketball, but they're more suited for sims. Just how the leagues are setup in general is what makes them better suited for a sim.

As a programmer I think it would be more difficult to make a football or basketball sim.

Sebastian Palkowski · 12-05-2012, 05:40 PM

I will be more active on the forum in the near future but (as always) the reason for my silence is easy to explain: I work 24/7 on the code, the GUI design (with Daniela), the PR front (with Brad), the research front (with our core research group) and I had 2 (small) unscheduled iOOTP updates.

Another reason why I posted not much is (or better was) a lack of understanding what we can expect from version one feature-wise. It's not that funny to always answer "I can't say for sure" or "maybe first version, maybe later". As per today we have a fixed feature list so for me it is now very clear what version one will have and I can talk better about it.

I had to learn that it is not possible to make everyone happy, some people will be disappointed about missing features but after all it is version 1 and we have to work with limitations (both on time and men-power).

For the release date I will not say anything specific (that will alway backfire) but whatever happens in the NHL will have no influence to it.

Before you guys ask: yes, we will release the feature list (and a few screenshots) soon, but again, thats time I have to cut from coding.

dave1927p · 12-05-2012, 07:11 PM

If by making weekly updates, scrrenshots and dev diaries sets you back another week or two I would say its worth it. The higher amount of ttaffic helps with word of mouth. And that sort of marketing can't be understated on how important it is to keep this sim alive past the first version.

Methodz · 12-05-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

I will be more active on the forum in the near future but (as always) the reason for my silence is easy to explain: I work 24/7 on the code, the GUI design (with Daniela), the PR front (with Brad), the research front (with our core research group) and I had 2 (small) unscheduled iOOTP updates.

Another reason why I posted not much is (or better was) a lack of understanding what we can expect from version one feature-wise. It's not that funny to always answer "I can't say for sure" or "maybe first version, maybe later". As per today we have a fixed feature list so for me it is now very clear what version one will have and I can talk better about it.

I had to learn that it is not possible to make everyone happy, some people will be disappointed about missing features but after all it is version 1 and we have to work with limitations (both on time and men-power).

For the release date I will not say anything specific (that will alway backfire) but whatever happens in the NHL will have no influence to it.

Before you guys ask: yes, we will release the feature list (and a few screenshots) soon, but again, thats time I have to cut from coding.

Hopefully these features that won't make it can eventually be patched in or come out in the next version. Patch releases would be awesome though.

Sebastian Palkowski · 12-06-2012, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Methodz

Hopefully these features that won't make it can eventually be patched in or come out in the next version. Patch releases would be awesome though.

Thats what I hope people understand: the first version is just a beginning of a loooong journey.

If you look at OOTP 1 -> OOTP 6 -> OOTP 8 (the one after SI) and OOTP 13 it is amazing what Markus did over the years. The same with iOOTP, if I compare 2011 on release date with 2011 before I started work on 2012 we added so much stuff in updates. That is (and always will be) the way OOTP Development works: improve your products with free updates, improve every new version, listen to your community and make the best product possible.

Djungelurban · 12-06-2012, 02:01 PM

Well yeah, all I really need from this first version is to be able to see the potential and that your design philosophy about what the game series could be somewhat lines up with my hopes for it. You can't expect an entirely new franchise, especially from a small team like this, to be the greatest game experience ever day one, it's just not gonna happen. So yeah, as long as I can see in this game that development is heading in the general right direction and that what you're building right now can evolve into something that resembles what I wish it to become two or three versions down the line, then I'm perfectly happy with that. Good core mechanics basically, that's all I hope for right now...

11-22-2012, 08:58 PM	#63
fredreed Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wagontown,PA Posts: 177	What's the release date? Most likely if the NHL season is canceled it will not affect sales. The one thing that might change would be the rosters. They would likely I would think that they would have to use last seasons rosters. I am sure that they will announce sooner rather then later news on release of the game. __________________ fredreed

12-05-2012, 04:18 AM	#70
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 2,993	I know it's stupid that we all ask for any kind of news again and again ... But hey, these guys definitely sit in front of their computers and have access to the internet ... why not post a short "That's where we are right now" here on the boards ? __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

12-05-2012, 05:40 PM	#76
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,119	I will be more active on the forum in the near future but (as always) the reason for my silence is easy to explain: I work 24/7 on the code, the GUI design (with Daniela), the PR front (with Brad), the research front (with our core research group) and I had 2 (small) unscheduled iOOTP updates. Another reason why I posted not much is (or better was) a lack of understanding what we can expect from version one feature-wise. It's not that funny to always answer "I can't say for sure" or "maybe first version, maybe later". As per today we have a fixed feature list so for me it is now very clear what version one will have and I can talk better about it. I had to learn that it is not possible to make everyone happy, some people will be disappointed about missing features but after all it is version 1 and we have to work with limitations (both on time and men-power). For the release date I will not say anything specific (that will alway backfire) but whatever happens in the NHL will have no influence to it. Before you guys ask: yes, we will release the feature list (and a few screenshots) soon, but again, thats time I have to cut from coding. __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager 10

12-05-2012, 07:11 PM	#77
dave1927p FHM Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brantford, ON Posts: 2,888	If by making weekly updates, scrrenshots and dev diaries sets you back another week or two I would say its worth it. The higher amount of ttaffic helps with word of mouth. And that sort of marketing can't be understated on how important it is to keep this sim alive past the first version. __________________ IN 1964 THE LEAFS WON THE STANLEY CUP :: IT'S ALSO THE YEAR THE CANADIAN FLAG WAS DESIGNED...coincidence? Last edited by dave1927p; 12-05-2012 at 07:12 PM.

11-23-2012, 10:50 AM	#64
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	Any word on how long it will take to play a game(regulation time or overtime)? Would like too see the option of giving a team 3 points for regulation win,2 points for overtime or shootout win and one point for overtime or shootout loss(would really prefer 0 points for losing game at any point).

12-01-2012, 03:56 PM	#65
CNOSLIM Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 92	greydogsoftware.com -- is creating a football sim, not sure when it will be released but it said to still be in production

12-04-2012, 12:16 PM	#67
mickey7 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 193	You two are talking about a game that was announced "in development" on January 20th 2007---six years ago !!! You really think it will ever be released ???

12-05-2012, 01:25 PM	#72
mickey7 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 193	Damien, Gary is at Wolverine Studios not Greydog---Greydog is Arlie's company and I don't believe he's made any recent comments about the pro football game.

12-05-2012, 02:26 PM	#73
Omegatron Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2	Love how the subject has changed from release date to why not make a different sim. But my opinion on why not a football sim or basketball sim, is the fact that both Baseball and Hockey have a more complex system then the others. Not saying that baseball and hockey are better than football and basketball, but they're more suited for sims. Just how the leagues are setup in general is what makes them better suited for a sim.

12-06-2012, 02:01 PM	#80
Djungelurban Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 20	Well yeah, all I really need from this first version is to be able to see the potential and that your design philosophy about what the game series could be somewhat lines up with my hopes for it. You can't expect an entirely new franchise, especially from a small team like this, to be the greatest game experience ever day one, it's just not gonna happen. So yeah, as long as I can see in this game that development is heading in the general right direction and that what you're building right now can evolve into something that resembles what I wish it to become two or three versions down the line, then I'm perfectly happy with that. Good core mechanics basically, that's all I hope for right now...