OOTP goes HOCKEY!!!! - Page 7

monkeyman576 · 10-20-2011, 05:16 PM

Maybe researchers should be given access to video to evaluate speed, puck skills, etc.

Ktulu · 10-20-2011, 05:27 PM

Well this is a nice surprise.

How related to OOTP will the game be? Will it be an entirely separate game, or will it "borrow" certain aspects of OOTP? It would make sense to build off of OOTP, especially in terms of database elements and the GUI codebase. No sense re-inventing the wheel.

Will it incorporate facegen? I sure hope so.

AESP_pres · 10-20-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikke

eliteprospects.com is way better than hdb, though.

But for the historical parts it's better. Just check by exemple the difference between those two.

1970 Quebec Remparts at Hockey Database
1970 Quebec Remparts at Elite prospects

Vikke · 10-20-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

But for the historical parts it's better. Just check by exemple the difference between those two.

1970 Quebec Remparts at Hockey Database
1970 Quebec Remparts at Elite prospects

Yeah, we're working on completing the early years. I think we've got the NHL all done, but you've got a point.

Sebastian Palkowski · 10-20-2011, 06:12 PM

For historical database: I would love to have one and I will do everything in my power (as in whatever I can code) to build one with people who are interested in building one up. If we would find a source to get players career stats in some form I could code an importer and a lot of work would be removed from researchers. But as far as I know no database (like Lahman for Baseball) exists, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ktulu

Well this is a nice surprise.

How related to OOTP will the game be? Will it be an entirely separate game, or will it "borrow" certain aspects of OOTP? It would make sense to build off of OOTP, especially in terms of database elements and the GUI codebase. No sense re-inventing the wheel.

Will it incorporate facegen? I sure hope so.

The game is build on a different GUI framework but we make sure that the general look & feel of OOTP 13 carries over to the hockey project. A lot of stuff is already done (way before it joined OOTP Developments) but is pretty similar to how OOTP works. We will share some code where it makes sense, one will be the news and storyline engine.

For facegen, I talked to Andreas about it and from a source code standpoint it would be doable but we need to buy another license so I can not give you a final answer on that.

yougo1000 · 10-20-2011, 06:33 PM

Quick question will it be player career mode or managerial?

The Funk · 10-20-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I can program (to some extent), and intend to do just that eventually unless OOTP or someone beat me to it lol.

Yes, do it! if anyone can make a good Football game it's us Brits.

Afino · 10-20-2011, 08:54 PM

Welcome to all of the HF'ers that have checked this thread out!

I'm glad we've tapped into the vast wealth of knowledge, and more importantly passion from hockey fans that are basically dying for a fresh text sim to replace EHM.

golander40 · 10-20-2011, 09:11 PM

I was a big NHL fan in the late 1940's and the 1950's--if help is needed for ratings,I'd be glad to give my opinions. (yes I am that old)
If pressed I could probably,still name the starting lines for every team in the NHL during that time period (including Defense-Goalies).
Gil The Ancient One

cibl commish · 10-20-2011, 09:24 PM

Can't wait for this one. EHM was great and I still fire it up now and then but a nice fresh OOTP-esque hockey sim is just what the doctor ordered.

RBLwebguy · 10-20-2011, 10:23 PM

I would definetly be on board for helping and if you need a lahman type dbase for this project, I would be all for helping to build that! It would be nice to recreate seasons similar to OOTP with lahman or even import players from different eras, etc. Let's get this baby going! I can even help market it here on this side of the pond!

RBLwebguy · 10-20-2011, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

For historical database: I would love to have one and I will do everything in my power (as in whatever I can code) to build one with people who are interested in building one up. If we would find a source to get players career stats in some form I could code an importer and a lot of work would be removed from researchers. But as far as I know no database (like Lahman for Baseball) exists, right?

The game is build on a different GUI framework but we make sure that the general look & feel of OOTP 13 carries over to the hockey project. A lot of stuff is already done (way before it joined OOTP Developments) but is pretty similar to how OOTP works. We will share some code where it makes sense, one will be the news and storyline engine.

For facegen, I talked to Andreas about it and from a source code standpoint it would be doable but we need to buy another license so I can not give you a final answer on that.

Just sent you a PM about a database.

RBLwebguy · 10-20-2011, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

For historical database: I would love to have one and I will do everything in my power (as in whatever I can code) to build one with people who are interested in building one up. If we would find a source to get players career stats in some form I could code an importer and a lot of work would be removed from researchers. But as far as I know no database (like Lahman for Baseball) exists, right?

The game is build on a different GUI framework but we make sure that the general look & feel of OOTP 13 carries over to the hockey project. A lot of stuff is already done (way before it joined OOTP Developments) but is pretty similar to how OOTP works. We will share some code where it makes sense, one will be the news and storyline engine.

For facegen, I talked to Andreas about it and from a source code standpoint it would be doable but we need to buy another license so I can not give you a final answer on that.

The hockey db site is one of the best place to get stats but I don't know if it requires manual work to put it together or if there is a ay to extrct things. Either way I don't mind spearheading a project like this and I am sure we can get tons of volunteers. Just need to know the format of the dbase.

The Internet Hockey Database -- Hockey Statistics, Data, Logos, and Trading Cards

21C · 10-20-2011, 11:14 PM

There is a Lahman-style database that can be downloaded from hockey-databank : hockey-databank

You just need a Yahoo ID to join the group.

AESP_pres · 10-20-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RBLwebguy

Just need to know the format of the dbase.

I can give it a try if you let us know the format too. I guess you will use a master file for the basic info + an offensive file (kind of like the batting.csv for OOTP)

Just an exemple with one player

Joe Malone

Of course a file for the team id, the franchise progression and some others are necessary too.

Uros · 10-21-2011, 06:07 AM

Good luck with the project

MorseMoose · 10-21-2011, 09:21 AM

Hockey-Reference.com | Hockey Statistics and History

Obviously a good resource.

CeeBee · 10-21-2011, 09:23 AM

Awesome news!!!

Been quite awhile since I posted or even visited here but all someone has to do is say "hockey" and I'm all ears

AESP_pres · 10-21-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

Hockey-Reference.com | Hockey Statistics and History

Obviously a good resource.

Incomplete as the game isn't only center around the NHL...

Bluenoser · 10-21-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Incomplete as the game isn't only center around the NHL...

That doesn't mean it isn't a good resource. It's just not all encomapssing.

Just like Baseball reference, Football reference, and Basketball reference, they're all incomplete, but certainly good resources.

10-20-2011, 05:16 PM	#121
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,943	Maybe researchers should be given access to video to evaluate speed, puck skills, etc. Last edited by monkeyman576; 10-20-2011 at 05:18 PM.

10-20-2011, 05:27 PM	#122
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,460	Well this is a nice surprise. How related to OOTP will the game be? Will it be an entirely separate game, or will it "borrow" certain aspects of OOTP? It would make sense to build off of OOTP, especially in terms of database elements and the GUI codebase. No sense re-inventing the wheel. Will it incorporate facegen? I sure hope so. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

10-20-2011, 08:54 PM	#128
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,828 Blog Entries: 2	Welcome to all of the HF'ers that have checked this thread out! I'm glad we've tapped into the vast wealth of knowledge, and more importantly passion from hockey fans that are basically dying for a fresh text sim to replace EHM. __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

10-20-2011, 09:11 PM	#129
golander40 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 325	If help is needed I was a big NHL fan in the late 1940's and the 1950's--if help is needed for ratings,I'd be glad to give my opinions. (yes I am that old) If pressed I could probably,still name the starting lines for every team in the NHL during that time period (including Defense-Goalies). Gil The Ancient One

10-20-2011, 09:24 PM	#130
cibl commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 611	Can't wait for this one. EHM was great and I still fire it up now and then but a nice fresh OOTP-esque hockey sim is just what the doctor ordered. __________________ Rick

10-20-2011, 06:33 PM	#126
yougo1000 All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 652	Quick question will it be player career mode or managerial?

10-20-2011, 10:23 PM	#131
RBLwebguy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 5,157	I would definetly be on board for helping and if you need a lahman type dbase for this project, I would be all for helping to build that! It would be nice to recreate seasons similar to OOTP with lahman or even import players from different eras, etc. Let's get this baby going! I can even help market it here on this side of the pond!

10-20-2011, 11:14 PM	#134
21C Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 299	There is a Lahman-style database that can be downloaded from hockey-databank : hockey-databank You just need a Yahoo ID to join the group.

10-21-2011, 06:07 AM	#136
Uros Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 48	Good luck with the project

10-21-2011, 09:21 AM	#137
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Blog Entries: 4 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Hockey-Reference.com \| Hockey Statistics and History Obviously a good resource.

10-21-2011, 09:23 AM	#138
CeeBee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chase BC Canada Posts: 105	Awesome news!!! Been quite awhile since I posted or even visited here but all someone has to do is say "hockey" and I'm all ears