Personnel

markprior22 · 04-22-2019, 06:21 PM

I've not messed around much with personnel/coaching in OOTP until recently. Man, is it taxing and not user friendly. I go to the available personnel screen, sort by what I'm looking for and see if there is anyone I might be interested in. I make offer after offer and am turned down. So tedious to do this over and over. After simming a day, there might be (insert random # here) less coaches available but I don't know of a way to see who went where. This goes on day after day.

It would be very helpful to have a way to list what team/personnel you are looking for and get feedback on who might be interested and maybe even some indication of interest level. If no one out there has interest in managing my rookie league team, so be it. I would just like to know without going through the daily search over and over.

Some type of log for personnel signings so you know who went where might be a good addition.

Like I said, I've not played with this part of the game much before. Maybe I'm missing something, maybe it's not important, maybe no one cares but it seems like a part of the game that should either be improved on or scaled way back.

low · 04-22-2019, 06:42 PM

Yes, this area needs a bit of work.

NoOne · 04-22-2019, 10:21 PM

there's room for abuse

you can sign them for an opening (if one exists) on your mlb club, then demote them, if it's a problem filling MiL positions. This likely increases contract costs too. So you don't get to do it for 'free.'

if not challenge mode.. just make your coach a 'mini-me'... lol. one less position to fill.

waittilnextyear · 04-22-2019, 10:35 PM

I agree 100%. There are few areas of the game that need as much of a refresh as the personnel. Including how they are presented, sorted, signed, retained, what they do, how they interact with you, etc. I literally get a sore finger when doing my personnel because I have to click on so many potential candidates and take a look at their developmental ratings/relationships over and over and over again...

Twax · 04-22-2019, 10:36 PM

If you go into Front Office -> Personnel and then click on VACANT POSITION or something like that in red it will direct you to a screen with only personnel that will accept that specific job offer.

Say you're looking for a Bench Coach, then it will only list personnel interested in being a Bench Coach for your team.

TPinrose · 04-23-2019, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Twax

If you go into Front Office -> Personnel and then click on VACANT POSITION or something like that in red it will direct you to a screen with only personnel that will accept that specific job offer.

Say you're looking for a Bench Coach, then it will only list personnel interested in being a Bench Coach for your team.

Yes, but that functionality needs to be available when the position is currently filled. Just like RL, I may be searching for my next employee before letting the current one go.

NoOne · 04-23-2019, 10:38 AM

you'll hurt their reputation a bit, but you can demote them before searching. again, need an open spot, which may or may not be available each year.. but usually at least 1 job is open in MiL.

geoffmatt17 · 04-23-2019, 10:42 AM

Also, not being able to sort / toggle at all on whether they have positive or negative marks for "Player Development Influence" and "Player Relationships" can take literally hundreds of clicks to find the best coach for the job.

Dyzalot · 04-23-2019, 01:30 PM

Yeah, just so I don't have to do too much with this, in all my saves I set the assistant GM up to handle personnel in the minors and I just take care of MLB.

LegalEagle80 · 05-02-2019, 11:35 AM

I agree, this area needs a lot of work. It's not clear to me how much reputation matters, what effect a coach has on a player (or team), and if coaches actually improve their attributes as time goes on.

I think there needs to be more transparency regarding their specific skills and personality, or maybe have those skills make a greater impact during the season. I don't recall if I've read many stories in any of previous games about a player-manager scuffle.

There are dozens if not hundreds of coaches and they all seem the exact same.

wallewalls · 05-02-2019, 01:16 PM

Also I think you should be able to hire another team's bench coach or minor league personnel for your vacant MLB spots. There are sometimes hidden gems managing some teams A ball team when they would be a hot candidate for a MLB manager spot with those ratings. And yeah, pretty much I agree with everything else said in this thread. Personnel does need a lot of work IMO

jfb8300 · 05-02-2019, 01:54 PM

AI needs to promote from within too. If AAA coach leaves, all the decent rep mangers below should bump up a level. As is, they just hire a new inexperienced AAA manager. An Outstanding manager can spend his entire life coaching an AI rookie team.

sabrtoothtiger · 05-03-2019, 08:22 AM

I am under the impression that the reason for not making these screens easier to navigate is because it will make the game too easy if the best personnel are easy to uncover.

Giving quantitative ratings for coaches is probably not the best for this reason, as there should be some difficulty in finding talented personnel.

I would love if you could scroll via the "up" and "down" keypads like you can in other player screens. It would allow us to search through available personnel with much more ease. As you typically have to read the description for each guy, and look at relationships.

It would also be great if you could set organizational strategies of what you want at each level. I.E contract hitting coaches and contract pitching coaches, and letting the assistant GM handle these duties.

AirmenSmith · 05-03-2019, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wallewalls

Also I think you should be able to hire another team's bench coach or minor league personnel for your vacant MLB spots. There are sometimes hidden gems managing some teams A ball team when they would be a hot candidate for a MLB manager spot with those ratings. And yeah, pretty much I agree with everything else said in this thread. Personnel does need a lot of work IMO

This I would love as well.

I also wish you could hide everyone that has no interest in discussing a contract.

TPinrose · 05-03-2019, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabrtoothtiger

I am under the impression that the reason for not making these screens easier to navigate is because it will make the game too easy if the best personnel are easy to uncover.

Giving quantitative ratings for coaches is probably not the best for this reason, as there should be some difficulty in finding talented personnel.

I would love if you could scroll via the "up" and "down" keypads like you can in other player screens. It would allow us to search through available personnel with much more ease. As you typically have to read the description for each guy, and look at relationships.

It would also be great if you could set organizational strategies of what you want at each level. I.E contract hitting coaches and contract pitching coaches, and letting the assistant GM handle these duties.

Fog of War is a consideration, but making the UI difficult to navigate is not a good implementation.

It probably needs a full rework, but I would settle for being able to filter for personnel who are willing to sign a contract with me. And/or filter for level they are willing to work at.

Tazilon · 05-03-2019, 04:23 PM

My experience has been with the exception of trainers and scouts its pretty much a crap shoot who you hire reputation has zero correlation to ability. I have played leagues in commish mode just to check it out. I have created coa hes with all 200 ratings and after 10 years of coaching they are POOR. Meanwhile another set to 50s is GREAT

Argonaut · 05-03-2019, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tazilon

My experience has been with the exception of trainers and scouts its pretty much a crap shoot who you hire reputation has zero correlation to ability. I have played leagues in commish mode just to check it out. I have created coa hes with all 200 ratings and after 10 years of coaching they are POOR. Meanwhile another set to 50s is GREAT

Yeah, reputation means nothing in terms of their ability. In fact, all else being equal you want lower reputation guys because they'll cost less money.

Trainers and scouts you can obviously see their abilities in the OOTP interface. But for the rest of the positions, I honestly just download the coaches.csv Excel file to find guys with good enough ratings to hire. It could be seen as cheating, but the game is sort of forcing me to do so because the alternative is just looking through a random list of names -- not very interesting gameplay.

04-22-2019, 06:21 PM	#1
markprior22 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: springfield, illinois Posts: 1,225 Blog Entries: 2	Personnel I've not messed around much with personnel/coaching in OOTP until recently. Man, is it taxing and not user friendly. I go to the available personnel screen, sort by what I'm looking for and see if there is anyone I might be interested in. I make offer after offer and am turned down. So tedious to do this over and over. After simming a day, there might be (insert random # here) less coaches available but I don't know of a way to see who went where. This goes on day after day. It would be very helpful to have a way to list what team/personnel you are looking for and get feedback on who might be interested and maybe even some indication of interest level. If no one out there has interest in managing my rookie league team, so be it. I would just like to know without going through the daily search over and over. Some type of log for personnel signings so you know who went where might be a good addition. Like I said, I've not played with this part of the game much before. Maybe I'm missing something, maybe it's not important, maybe no one cares but it seems like a part of the game that should either be improved on or scaled way back.

04-22-2019, 06:42 PM	#2
low Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 5,736	Yes, this area needs a bit of work. __________________ My fictional team logos and uniforms

04-23-2019, 10:42 AM	#8
geoffmatt17 Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 305	Also, not being able to sort / toggle at all on whether they have positive or negative marks for "Player Development Influence" and "Player Relationships" can take literally hundreds of clicks to find the best coach for the job. __________________ United Baseball Association - San Francisco Spartans (Commish) FOD - Miami Mutiny PBF - Port Moresby Wigmen SABR - Tampa Bay Rays FCB - Chicago White Sox FSL - Oklahoma City Red Hawks

05-03-2019, 08:22 AM	#13
sabrtoothtiger Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 137	I am under the impression that the reason for not making these screens easier to navigate is because it will make the game too easy if the best personnel are easy to uncover. Giving quantitative ratings for coaches is probably not the best for this reason, as there should be some difficulty in finding talented personnel. I would love if you could scroll via the "up" and "down" keypads like you can in other player screens. It would allow us to search through available personnel with much more ease. As you typically have to read the description for each guy, and look at relationships. It would also be great if you could set organizational strategies of what you want at each level. I.E contract hitting coaches and contract pitching coaches, and letting the assistant GM handle these duties. __________________ Check out my Reds Franchise on YouTube

04-22-2019, 10:21 PM	#3
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	there's room for abuse you can sign them for an opening (if one exists) on your mlb club, then demote them, if it's a problem filling MiL positions. This likely increases contract costs too. So you don't get to do it for 'free.' if not challenge mode.. just make your coach a 'mini-me'... lol. one less position to fill.

04-22-2019, 10:35 PM	#4
waittilnextyear All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,272	I agree 100%. There are few areas of the game that need as much of a refresh as the personnel. Including how they are presented, sorted, signed, retained, what they do, how they interact with you, etc. I literally get a sore finger when doing my personnel because I have to click on so many potential candidates and take a look at their developmental ratings/relationships over and over and over again...

04-22-2019, 10:36 PM	#5
Twax Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 45	If you go into Front Office -> Personnel and then click on VACANT POSITION or something like that in red it will direct you to a screen with only personnel that will accept that specific job offer. Say you're looking for a Bench Coach, then it will only list personnel interested in being a Bench Coach for your team.

04-23-2019, 10:38 AM	#7
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	you'll hurt their reputation a bit, but you can demote them before searching. again, need an open spot, which may or may not be available each year.. but usually at least 1 job is open in MiL.

04-23-2019, 01:30 PM	#9
Dyzalot All Star Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,735	Yeah, just so I don't have to do too much with this, in all my saves I set the assistant GM up to handle personnel in the minors and I just take care of MLB.

05-02-2019, 11:35 AM	#10
LegalEagle80 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 113	I agree, this area needs a lot of work. It's not clear to me how much reputation matters, what effect a coach has on a player (or team), and if coaches actually improve their attributes as time goes on. I think there needs to be more transparency regarding their specific skills and personality, or maybe have those skills make a greater impact during the season. I don't recall if I've read many stories in any of previous games about a player-manager scuffle. There are dozens if not hundreds of coaches and they all seem the exact same.

05-02-2019, 01:16 PM	#11
wallewalls All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 774 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Also I think you should be able to hire another team's bench coach or minor league personnel for your vacant MLB spots. There are sometimes hidden gems managing some teams A ball team when they would be a hot candidate for a MLB manager spot with those ratings. And yeah, pretty much I agree with everything else said in this thread. Personnel does need a lot of work IMO

05-02-2019, 01:54 PM	#12
jfb8300 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 134	AI needs to promote from within too. If AAA coach leaves, all the decent rep mangers below should bump up a level. As is, they just hire a new inexperienced AAA manager. An Outstanding manager can spend his entire life coaching an AI rookie team.

05-03-2019, 04:23 PM	#16
Tazilon Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 116	My experience has been with the exception of trainers and scouts its pretty much a crap shoot who you hire reputation has zero correlation to ability. I have played leagues in commish mode just to check it out. I have created coa hes with all 200 ratings and after 10 years of coaching they are POOR. Meanwhile another set to 50s is GREAT