Active rosters to 26 - Implement via league evolution?

[bwburke94]

Link to NBC Sports article discussing the subject. Active rosters likely going to 26 players for the 2020 season, with expanded rosters reducing to 28 players.

In the likely event that this is implemented in real life, it would be possible to "hardcode" the end-of-year-1 league evolution in OOTP 20, as we did in OOTP 13 with the Astros move to the AL. My question isn't whether it's possible, because we've done it before; my question is whether we'll do it again.

As was the case in OOTP 13, those who turn off the relevant section of league evolution would not see any changes.

[a5ehren]

I was going to ask the same thing.

[r0nster]

you can do this easily on your own and only have to do it once. Its easy to do.

[Hooray Saturday]

there are also talking about a limit of 13 pitchers on the 26 man roster. as well as upping the minimum batters faced to 3 for a reliever. I like all these ideas and hope they make it in to real life and OOTP.

[r0nster]

this should help you accomplish what you looking for

[tejdog1]

Originally Posted by Hooray Saturday

there are also talking about a limit of 13 pitchers on the 26 man roster. as well as upping the minimum batters faced to 3 for a reliever. I like all these ideas and hope they make it in to real life and OOTP.

This rule is terrible.
Bullpen specialization is also terrible, but that rule is worse.

[low]

Originally Posted by tejdog1

This rule is terrible.
Bullpen specialization is also terrible, but that rule is worse.

Agreed. I wonder how they're going to police all the fake injuries that are going to occur. You want to improve speed of play? Roster limits or less warmup pitches. Shouldn't these guys be warm when they come in from the bullpen anyways? Either way, this potential new rule is stupid.

[JaBurns]

Originally Posted by r0nster

this should help you accomplish what you looking for

2076 in your league is impressive.

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by JaBurns

2076 in your league is impressive.

the point of the picture is to show we can make the changes that the original post wanted. He didn't have to wait for Markus or the team to make the changes

I am in preseason of 2079 awaiting OOTPXX as I just stopped playing it for a 2 week vacation from game as it were

[TomVeal]

Originally Posted by r0nster

the point of the picture is to show we can make the changes that the original post wanted. He didn't have to wait for Markus or the team to make the changes

I am in preseason of 2079 awaiting OOTPXX as I just stopped playing it for a 2 week vacation from game as it were

It would be harder, though, to limit teams to 13 pitchers (though I don't imagine that the AI would often want more), and there's no way to implement the three-batter rule, which strikes me as monumentally stupid. As someone has already said, limit relievers to, say, three warmup pitches after they come in. I'd also require them to start walking to the mound no later than when the manager leaves the dugout to make the change.

I'm surprised that the union doesn't object to the rule. After all, it diminishes work opportunities for LOOGY's.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Link to NBC Sports article discussing the subject. Active rosters likely going to 26 players for the 2020 season, with expanded rosters reducing to 28 players.

In the likely event that this is implemented in real life, it would be possible to "hardcode" the end-of-year-1 league evolution in OOTP 20, as we did in OOTP 13 with the Astros move to the AL. My question isn't whether it's possible, because we've done it before; my question is whether we'll do it again.

As was the case in OOTP 13, those who turn off the relevant section of league evolution would not see any changes.

After my mind stopped spinning, seeing your post in tandem with advocacy of league evolution, I smelled my drink, checked my tobacco pouch, and of course then realized you were referring to real league evolution. Yes, I'd imagine that should be implemented for those adhering to historical rules and developments.

[backspace4353]

Originally Posted by Hooray Saturday

there are also talking about a limit of 13 pitchers on the 26 man roster. as well as upping the minimum batters faced to 3 for a reliever. I like all these ideas and hope they make it in to real life and OOTP.

I can't see the minimum of three batters for obvious reasons. The AL could get away with it however the NL would have problems. The main one is its the bottom of the eight with two out and you hold a one run lead, your starter had pitched his last pitch at 112pc, as he got the first two batters out however has just walked the last two batters and faces two out with two on. You need to go to the pen and bring in a reliever. The reliever gives up the tying run and gets the next batter out to end the inning. Top of the ninth you load the bases with two out and who is coming up to bat, you guessed it, that reliever, meanwhile you have your best pinch hitter on the bench and can't use him because your reliever had just pitched to two batters in the last inning and has to face one more.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Link to NBC Sports article discussing the subject. Active rosters likely going to 26 players for the 2020 season, with expanded rosters reducing to 28 players.

Hasn't happened yet. Just because they are discussing it doesn't mean the suggestions will be adopted. Best to wait and see.

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by backspace4353

I can't see the minimum of three batters for obvious reasons. The AL could get away with it however the NL would have problems. The main one is its the bottom of the eight with two out and you hold a one run lead, your starter had pitched his last pitch at 112pc, as he got the first two batters out however has just walked the last two batters and faces two out with two on. You need to go to the pen and bring in a reliever. The reliever gives up the tying run and gets the next batter out to end the inning. Top of the ninth you load the bases with two out and who is coming up to bat, you guessed it, that reliever, meanwhile you have your best pinch hitter on the bench and can't use him because your reliever had just pitched to two batters in the last inning and has to face one more.

From what I read, the 3 batter minimum doesn't carry over between innings. So it's more like "3 batters or finish an inning", so you could still pinch hit in that above case.

Of course, that point is moot as well since they're obviously bringing in a universal DH too, which everyone loves, right?

[r0nster]

I despise the new rules the MLB is trying. If they really wanted to shorten the game or improve the speed of the game then dump the commercials as that is 3 to 4 minutes these days so you can add up how much time that is on its own. Since I love History I decided a while back to look up game times and reasoning for the longer length of time at each turn, Radio used to not have commercials and the game went from 90 minutes to a bit over 2 hours and commercials were done by the announcers at that time then it became a full fledged commercials which boosted the game length time up to 2 hours and 30 minutes as TV did the same exact thing as well only they would cut to a commercial then each commercial break would get longer thus longer games. Even back during the radio days they KNEW what was causing the length of games to get longer. Revenue for the station and game. No way will they touch that. So they will blame other things and say the changes are for the fans and players. ridiculous such a scam we buy hook line and sinker

[bailey]

If they go to 26 with the extra man being a batter can 2 DH's be far behind? One for the pitcher and one for the catcher.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by r0nster

I despise the new rules the MLB is trying. If they really wanted to shorten the game or improve the speed of the game then dump the commercials as that is 3 to 4 minutes these days so you can add up how much time that is on its own.

I can post the data again, but it is interesting to view the average time length of a standard game across all leagues. Asian leagues have game times longer than MLB's; the affiliated minor leagues have shorter lengths.

[TomVeal]

Has anyone anywhere considered the possibility that game lengths are a product of audience preferences? After spending $50 per person for tickets, plus the cost of parking, for an afternoon at the ballpark, does a fan really want to be sent home after 90 minutes? I haven't thought about this hypothesis deeply, but I wonder whether anybody else has thought about it at all.

[Le Grande Orange]

I found the 2017 data. Below is the average game length in minutes for normal duration games (8½–9 innings, 51–54 outs) in that league. Also included is the minimum and maximum length, standard deviation, and number of games in the sample.

Lg     Mean   Min   Max  StDev    n=
------------------------------------
CPBL  205.8   147   318   28.0   215
KBO   196.5   129   290   24.1   654
***   188.1   127   266   22.5   771
------------------------------------
MEX   185.4   103   278   24.2   714
------------------------------------
MLB   185.2   125   273   20.9  2247
------------------------------------
INT   167.9   118   233   18.8   794
PCL   173.4   121   252   20.0   954
EAS   161.8   114   283   18.9   637
SOU   165.0   117   240   18.9   547
TEX   165.6   112   230   17.9   479
CAL   173.2   116   278   19.4   502
CAR   168.9   115   254   20.1   534
FSL   157.7   109   220   18.9   635
MID   168.8   107   229   20.1   926
SAL   165.4   107   233   19.8   760
------------------------------------
NYP   169.0   122   243   19.9   406
NWL   177.4   125   238   19.9   274
APP   169.8    99   239   21.2   272
PIO   175.4   129   258   24.2   277
------------------------------------
ALPB  175.7   127   310   21.6   436
AAIB  171.2   112   243   19.7   487
CAA   187.4   117   334   27.9   257
FRON  166.4   110   298   24.2   463
------------------------------------
AFL   155.6   116   209   16.9    83
DWL   207.4   137   290   28.1   137
MPL   192.7   128   258   23.1   243
RCPL  182.0   139   236   24.9    22
VWL   208.0   148   281   27.2   214
ABL   176.8   111   239   24.8    88

[r0nster]

Originally Posted by TomVeal

It would be harder, though, to limit teams to 13 pitchers (though I don't imagine that the AI would often want more), and there's no way to implement the three-batter rule, which strikes me as monumentally stupid. As someone has already said, limit relievers to, say, three warmup pitches after they come in. I'd also require them to start walking to the mound no later than when the manager leaves the dugout to make the change.

I'm surprised that the union doesn't object to the rule. After all, it diminishes work opportunities for LOOGY's.

This might help you