Expansion Teams' Minor Leagues

endgame · 05-31-2016, 01:47 AM

How do expansion teams fill their minor leagues? Do they scavenge through the free agent list? Looks like a few of their picks end up in the lower levels, but obviously they'll need to fill the balance of the roster slots in the minors. We haven't encountered any issues with these teams not bothering to fill up their ranks have we?

grmagne · 05-31-2016, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

How do expansion teams fill their minor leagues? Do they scavenge through the free agent list? Looks like a few of their picks end up in the lower levels, but obviously they'll need to fill the balance of the roster slots in the minors. We haven't encountered any issues with these teams not bothering to fill up their ranks have we?

I have a 7 minor league fictional system and both expansion teams signed over 100 players after the expansion draft. No problems at all.

BigRed75 · 05-31-2016, 08:27 AM

Every year, there are a LOT of minor league free agents, between the six-year-plus veterans and the players who are just plain waived. Plenty of players for expansion teams to sign.

If you are concerned, you can always add on extra draft picks at the end of the Rule 4 draft for the expansion teams. Of course, any non-drafted player goes into the free agent pool, anyway...

EDIT: I should also say that I manually control expansion of the minor leagues (because I hate the way the game does it, with geographically inappropriate teams). To that end, I add the Major League, Triple-A, Low-A, Short Season-A and Rookie League team at the same year, add the High-A team the next year, and the Double-A team two years after the big club's debut. I'm pretty sure that's how they did it IRL with the Diamondbacks and Devil Rays. They actually did the Rookie and Short-Season teams before the major league club, because the teams participated in the 1997 draft before the expansion draft, but OOTP doesn't support that.

bwburke94 · 05-31-2016, 01:17 PM

Actually, the Devil Rays and Diamondbacks participated in the 1996 draft as well.

The Devil Rays made 97 selections in that draft, and 92 the following year, which means that 189 players were drafted by Tampa Bay before the big club played its first game!

Le Grande Orange · 05-31-2016, 06:30 PM

Here is the historical record for expansion clubs in terms of affiliates in the season(s) before the major league expansion club played its inaugural season (if applicable) and for its first five major league seasons. (Note: 'FR' means foreign Rookie-class leagues, i.e. the Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues.)

Minor League Affiliations

Code:

1961 Expansion


Los Angeles Angels

     AAA  AA  A   B   C   D   Total
1961   1   -  -   -   -   1     2
1962   2*  -  -   1   1   1     5   *one shared with Philadelphia

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1963   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   -    5
1964   1   -   1    1    1    1   -   -    5
1965   1   1   1    1    1    -   -   -    5


Washington Senators

     AAA  AA  A   B   C   D   Total
1961   -   -  -   -   -   2     2
1962   1*  -  -   1   -   2     4   *shared with New York (N)

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1963   1   -   1    1    1    -   -   -    4
1964   1*  1   1    -    1    -   -   -    4   *shared with Detroit
1965   1   1   1    -    1    1   -   -    5



1962 Expansion


New York Mets

     AAA  AA  A   B   C   D   Total
1961   -   1  -   1   -   1     3
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1962   1*  -  -   -   1   2     4   *shared with Washington

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1963   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0
1964   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0
1965   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0
1966   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0


Houston Colt .45s

     AAA  AA  A   B   C   D   Total
1961   -   -  1   -   -   1     2
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1962   1   -  -   1   1   1     4

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1963   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0
1964   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0
1965   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0
1966   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    0



1969 Expansion


Kansas City Royals

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1968   -   -   -    1    1    -   -   -    2
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1969   1   -   1    1    2    1   -   -    6
1970   1   -   1    1    -    2   -   -    5
1971   1   1   1    1    -    2   1   -    7
1972   1   1   1    1    -    2   1   -    7
1973   1   1   1    1    -    2   1   -    7


Seattle Pilots / Milwaukee Brewers

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1968   -   -   -    -    1    -   -   -    1
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1969   -   -   -    1    1    1   -   -    3
1970   1   -   -    1    1    -   -   -    3
1971   1   -   -    1    1    -   -   -    3
1972   1   1   -    1    1    -   -   -    4
1973   1   1   -    1    1    -   -   -    4


Montreal Expos

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1968   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    -
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1969   -   -   1    -    -    -   1   -    2
1970   1   -   1    -    1    -   1   -    4
1971   1   1   1    -    2    -   -   -    5
1972   1   1   1    -    1    -   -   -    4
1973   1   1   1    -    1    -   -   -    4


San Diego Padres

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1968   -   -   -    -    -    -   -   -    -
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1969   -   -   -    -    -    1   -   -    1
1970   1   -   1    -    1    -   -   -    3
1971   1   -   1    -    1    -   -   -    3
1972   1   1   -    -    2    -   -   -    4
1973   1   1   -    -    1    -   -   -    3



1977 Expansion


Toronto Blue Jays

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1977   -   -   -    -    1    -   -   -    1
1978   1   -   1    -    1    1   -   -    4
1979   1   -   2    -    1    1   -   -    5
1980   1   1   1    -    1    1   -   -    5
1981   1   1   1    1    -    1   1   -    6


Seattle Mariners

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1977   -   -   -    -    1    -   -   -    1
1978   1   -   1    -    1    -   -   -    3
1979   1   -   2    -    1    -   -   -    4
1980   1   1   1    -    1    -   -   -    4
1981   1   1   -    1    1    -   -   -    4

Total
   AAA   AA   A-H   A-L   A-S   R-A   R   FR   Total (excluding FR)
1977   -   -   -   -   2   -   -   -   2
1978   2   -   2   -   2   1   -   -   7
1979   2   -   4   -   2   1   -   -   9
1980   2   2   2   -   2   1   -   -   9
1981   2   2   1   2   1   1   1   -   10



1993 Expansion


Colorado Rockies

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1992   -   -   -    -    1    -   1   -    2
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1993   1   -   1    -    1    -   1   -    4
1994   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   -    6
1995   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   -    6
1996   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   -    6
1997   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   1    6


Florida Marlins

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1992   -   -   -    -    1    -   1   -    2
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1993   1   -   1    1    1    -   1   1    5
1994   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   1    6
1995   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   1    6
1996   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   1    6
1997   1   1   1    1    1    -   1   1    6



1998 Expansion


Arizona Diamondbacks

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1996   -   -   -    -    -    1   1   -    2
1997   -   -   1    1    -    1   1   -    4
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1998   1   -   1    1    -    1   1   1    5
1999   1   1   1    1    -    1   1   1    6
2000   1   1   1    1    -    1   1   1    6
2001   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   1    6
2002   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   1    6


Tampa Bay Devil Rays

     AAA  AA  A-H  A-L  A-S  R-A  R  FR  Total (excluding FR)
1996   -   -   -    -    -    1   1   -    2
1997   -   -   1    1    1    1   1   -    5
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1998   1   -   1    1    1    1   1   1    6
1999   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   1    6
2000   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   1    6
2001   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   1    6
2002   1   1   1    1    1    1   -   -    6

Amateur Draft Participation

1969 Expansion: All four expansion clubs participated in the June 1968 amateur draft, but were not able to start making selections until the 4th round
1977 Expansion: Both expansion clubs' first draft participation was the 1977 June draft.
1993 Expansion: Both expansion clubs participated in the 1992 June draft.
1998 Expansion: Both expansion clubs participated in the 1996 and 1997 June drafts.

MrWideFrame · 05-31-2016, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grmagne

I have a 7 minor league fictional system and both expansion teams signed over 100 players after the expansion draft. No problems at all.

I did the same thing.

I will say, my minor league teams did stink for a few seasons.

jpeters1734 · 05-31-2016, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

How do expansion teams fill their minor leagues? Do they scavenge through the free agent list? Looks like a few of their picks end up in the lower levels, but obviously they'll need to fill the balance of the roster slots in the minors. We haven't encountered any issues with these teams not bothering to fill up their ranks have we?

in '17 the minors come stocked with players already, probably to simulate them participating in the previous draft

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRed75

Every year, there are a LOT of minor league free agents, between the six-year-plus veterans and the players who are just plain waived. Plenty of players for expansion teams to sign.

If you are concerned, you can always add on extra draft picks at the end of the Rule 4 draft for the expansion teams. Of course, any non-drafted player goes into the free agent pool, anyway...

EDIT: I should also say that I manually control expansion of the minor leagues (because I hate the way the game does it, with geographically inappropriate teams). To that end, I add the Major League, Triple-A, Low-A, Short Season-A and Rookie League team at the same year, add the High-A team the next year, and the Double-A team two years after the big club's debut. I'm pretty sure that's how they did it IRL with the Diamondbacks and Devil Rays. They actually did the Rookie and Short-Season teams before the major league club, because the teams participated in the 1997 draft before the expansion draft, but OOTP doesn't support that.

Non drafted players are not released if you're not using feeders. they get added to the pool next year

endgame · 05-31-2016, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

in '17 the minors come stocked with players already, probably to simulate them participating in the previous draft

I don't find that to be the case, but I haven't advanced a day yet. At this point, the only players at that level are ones chosen in the draft that, for whatever reason, are not placed on the active roster.

Tekneek · 06-02-2016, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRed75

They actually did the Rookie and Short-Season teams before the major league club, because the teams participated in the 1997 draft before the expansion draft, but OOTP doesn't support that.

Although, you could manually create those as unaffiliated teams in advance and affiliate them when the time comes.

bwburke94 · 06-08-2016, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekneek

Although, you could manually create those as unaffiliated teams in advance and affiliate them when the time comes.

That just leads to the problem we had last year with Boston 2/Seattle 2. At least there's a purchase price setting this year to minimize the damage.

BigRed75 · 06-08-2016, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

in '17 the minors come stocked with players already, probably to simulate them participating in the previous draft

I have done a few tests with my leagues, and have not found this to be the case. The minor league teams started out blank, but all got filled up to the roster limits by Opening Day of the next season.

Orioles1966 · 06-09-2016, 07:57 AM

Back in 1969-San Diego and Kansas City shared the same Omaha Triple A team ,likewise Seattle and Montreal shared PCL Vancouver.

05-31-2016, 01:47 AM	#1
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Expansion Teams' Minor Leagues How do expansion teams fill their minor leagues? Do they scavenge through the free agent list? Looks like a few of their picks end up in the lower levels, but obviously they'll need to fill the balance of the roster slots in the minors. We haven't encountered any issues with these teams not bothering to fill up their ranks have we? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

05-31-2016, 08:27 AM	#3
BigRed75 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,430	Every year, there are a LOT of minor league free agents, between the six-year-plus veterans and the players who are just plain waived. Plenty of players for expansion teams to sign. If you are concerned, you can always add on extra draft picks at the end of the Rule 4 draft for the expansion teams. Of course, any non-drafted player goes into the free agent pool, anyway... EDIT: I should also say that I manually control expansion of the minor leagues (because I hate the way the game does it, with geographically inappropriate teams). To that end, I add the Major League, Triple-A, Low-A, Short Season-A and Rookie League team at the same year, add the High-A team the next year, and the Double-A team two years after the big club's debut. I'm pretty sure that's how they did it IRL with the Diamondbacks and Devil Rays. They actually did the Rookie and Short-Season teams before the major league club, because the teams participated in the 1997 draft before the expansion draft, but OOTP doesn't support that. __________________ Mainline team SPTT team Was not a Snag fan...until I saw the fallout once he was gone and realized what a good job he was actually doing. - Ty Cobb Last edited by BigRed75; 05-31-2016 at 08:31 AM.

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bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,444	Actually, the Devil Rays and Diamondbacks participated in the 1996 draft as well. The Devil Rays made 97 selections in that draft, and 92 the following year, which means that 189 players were drafted by Tampa Bay before the big club played its first game!

06-09-2016, 07:57 AM	#12
Orioles1966 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,869	Back in 1969-San Diego and Kansas City shared the same Omaha Triple A team ,likewise Seattle and Montreal shared PCL Vancouver.