Scoring of Errors on Sacrifice Bunt Bug

georgehounddog · 07-04-2006, 05:05 PM

Batters are getting credited with an 0-2 when a sacrifice bunt is attempted and an error causes the runner to be safe. Should this not be an 0-0 with a sacrifice and a one base error?

I am pretty sure this is a bug. From looking at the fixes for patch 2, it does not look like this one has been found yet.

I apologize if this bug has already been caught and posted.

tysok · 07-04-2006, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgehounddog

Batters are getting credited with an 0-2 when a sacrifice bunt is attempted and an error causes the runner to be safe. Should this not be an 0-0 with a sacrifice and a one base error?

I am pretty sure this is a bug. From looking at the fixes for patch 2, it does not look like this one has been found yet.

I apologize if this bug has already been caught and posted.

Maybe I'm not thinking along the right lines.... but what is an 0-2, or an 0-0?

I believe you're right though, it should be scored a sac bunt and an error allowing him on, rather than an at bat reached on error. But not sure what you're saying he is getting credited with.

georgehounddog · 07-05-2006, 09:43 PM

I'm saying that they are crediting him with 2 at bats, 0 hits.

The weird thing is when you bunt with the 2nd hitter in the game and he gets on because of an error and he is already credited with 2 at bats.

battists · 07-18-2006, 01:18 PM

I'm sorry for the awfully slow response to this thread.

Obviously, some time has passed since you posted this issue, and the 1.0.2 patch has since been released as well. Are you still seeing this issue?

Additionally, can anyone point out the specific scoring rule related to this? I want to make sure we're getting it right if we're going to ask Markus to change it!

Please let me know!

Thanks,

Steve

sovereignstar · 07-18-2006, 01:32 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of..._scorer_10.jsp

SACRIFICES
10.09
(a) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the batter advances one or more runners with a bunt and is put out at first base, or would have been put out except for a fielding error.
(b) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the fielders handle a bunted ball without error in an unsuccessful attempt to put out a preceding runner advancing one base. EXCEPTION: When an attempt to turn a bunt into a putout of a preceding runner fails, and in the scorer’s judgment perfect play would not have put out the batter at first base, the batter shall be credited with a one-base hit and not a sacrifice.
(c) Do not score a sacrifice bunt when any runner is put out attempting to advance one base on a bunt. Charge the batter with a time at bat.
(d) Do not score a sacrifice bunt when, in the judgment of the scorer, the batter is bunting primarily for a base hit and not for the purpose of advancing a runner or runners. Charge the batter with a time at bat.
NOTE: In applying the above rule, always give the batter the benefit of the doubt.
(e) Score a sacrifice fly when, before two are out, the batter hits a fly ball or a line drive handled by an outfielder or an infielder running in the outfield which
(1) is caught, and a runner scores after the catch, or
(2) is dropped, and a runner scores, if in the scorer’s judgment the runner could have scored after the catch had the fly been caught.
NOTE: Score a sacrifice fly in accordance with 10.09 (e) (2) even though another runner is forced out by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

battists · 07-18-2006, 04:44 PM

Thanks sovereignstar,

I logged this as TT # 2308.

Thanks!

Steve

battists · 07-19-2006, 08:13 AM

This has been claimed fixed in the next patch, but has not yet been verified.

Thanks,

Steve

battists · 07-25-2006, 10:45 AM

Fix verified!

Steve

Jupiter · 12-08-2011, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

Fix verified!

Steve

Interestingly, I came across this thread while doing a web search on "bunt error scoring" just to see if I could find the actual rule before I submitted a bug report. I can confirm that this error is back in OOTP 12.

I just played out a game in which, with a runner on 2nd, the batter who was previously 0/2 bunted. The throw was made to first and sailed wide and out of play, allowing the batter to advance to second and the runner to score from 2nd. When the quick box score (on the Widgets page) updated, the player was assessed an at bat (now 0/3) AND was credited with an RBI. Both of these are the wrong scoring.

I will edit here if the final scoring is any different, since I am still mid-game, but I assume the scoring engine for the quick box score is the same.

07-04-2006, 05:05 PM	#1
georgehounddog Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 85	Scoring of Errors on Sacrifice Bunt Bug Batters are getting credited with an 0-2 when a sacrifice bunt is attempted and an error causes the runner to be safe. Should this not be an 0-0 with a sacrifice and a one base error? I am pretty sure this is a bug. From looking at the fixes for patch 2, it does not look like this one has been found yet. I apologize if this bug has already been caught and posted.

07-05-2006, 09:43 PM	#3
georgehounddog Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 85	I'm saying that they are crediting him with 2 at bats, 0 hits. The weird thing is when you bunt with the 2nd hitter in the game and he gets on because of an error and he is already credited with 2 at bats.

07-18-2006, 01:18 PM	#4
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	I'm sorry for the awfully slow response to this thread. Obviously, some time has passed since you posted this issue, and the 1.0.2 patch has since been released as well. Are you still seeing this issue? Additionally, can anyone point out the specific scoring rule related to this? I want to make sure we're getting it right if we're going to ask Markus to change it! Please let me know! Thanks, Steve

07-18-2006, 01:32 PM	#5
sovereignstar Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 263	http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/of..._scorer_10.jsp SACRIFICES 10.09 (a) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the batter advances one or more runners with a bunt and is put out at first base, or would have been put out except for a fielding error. (b) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the fielders handle a bunted ball without error in an unsuccessful attempt to put out a preceding runner advancing one base. EXCEPTION: When an attempt to turn a bunt into a putout of a preceding runner fails, and in the scorer’s judgment perfect play would not have put out the batter at first base, the batter shall be credited with a one-base hit and not a sacrifice. (c) Do not score a sacrifice bunt when any runner is put out attempting to advance one base on a bunt. Charge the batter with a time at bat. (d) Do not score a sacrifice bunt when, in the judgment of the scorer, the batter is bunting primarily for a base hit and not for the purpose of advancing a runner or runners. Charge the batter with a time at bat. NOTE: In applying the above rule, always give the batter the benefit of the doubt. (e) Score a sacrifice fly when, before two are out, the batter hits a fly ball or a line drive handled by an outfielder or an infielder running in the outfield which (1) is caught, and a runner scores after the catch, or (2) is dropped, and a runner scores, if in the scorer’s judgment the runner could have scored after the catch had the fly been caught. NOTE: Score a sacrifice fly in accordance with 10.09 (e) (2) even though another runner is forced out by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

07-18-2006, 04:44 PM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	Thanks sovereignstar, I logged this as TT # 2308. Thanks! Steve

07-19-2006, 08:13 AM	#7
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	This has been claimed fixed in the next patch, but has not yet been verified. Thanks, Steve

07-25-2006, 10:45 AM	#8
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	Fix verified! Steve