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Old 03-13-2019, 06:24 AM   #21
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Well, the vast majority wanted an open DB. I personally was torn on the subject, I probably would have preferred just a list of cards including the value tier of each card.

Anyway, we'll see how it goes and will reevaluate for PT21. Or we simply won't update the current card's list anymore (we are still working on the cards anyway) and add some more secret cards

And btw, only because there is now an open DB it does not mean that someone who studies it suddenly has a big advantage. The published ratings do not correlate to stats output 1:1 in the engine, there is still a lot of "magic" involved that we did not and can not include in the database export. We don't want to spoil the whole fun, right?

Edit: By the way, the exlcusive cards that we will have for the tournaments will not be made public in the database, neither will the other cards we will provide as content updates throughout the year or the updated live cards. At least that is the plan at the moment, we'll see how it goes. The purpose for releasing the DB now is essentially beta testing by having a few more eyes looking at the launch cards.

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Old 03-13-2019, 06:37 AM   #22
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at least have more differentiation on cards for the same player- maybe one Bronze, one silver, and one gold version of Pete Rose, rather than 3 different silver versions.
Good point... we're still working on the cards anyway and will keep an eye on that.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:18 PM   #23
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Good point... we're still working on the cards anyway and will keep an eye on that.
There are 3 bronze Ichiro Suzuki cards.
Aaron Judge 2 diamonds
Al Kaline 2 golds
Alan Trammell 2 diamonds
Albert Pujols 3 diamonds
Alex Rodriguez 2 d
Aroldis Chapman 3 d
Babe Ruth 2 d
Barry Bonds 2 d
Billy Wagner 2 g
Bob Feller 2 d
Bob Gibson 3 d

I stopped here because I'm not sure you can or want to fix this.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:00 PM   #24
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Its fine at the diamond level since there is still a pretty big difference between a 92 and 96 etc, and for legendary players its nice to have a more reasonable option for everyone then a middle and elite option.

but there is no real need at all to have multiple silvers of a player, and I really would try to avoid two cards of the same player at the same overall rating
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:36 PM   #25
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Aesthetic wise, it would be nice to have a max of one of any player in a single tier.

Baseball is so big, we could use something to get more player variation in any way we can.

You can't restrict leagues to have only one Mike Trout in them, and you wouldn't want to. But you could get more variation if, for example, there weren't multiple Diamond/Perfect level Trout cards.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:58 PM   #26
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Someone needs to figure out the FIP calculations with the movement rating not being the one that we know about.
I think this is the biggest mystery for the opening weeks. They seemed to have redone the whole movement scale...that was the first thing that stood out to me in the new database. There are going to be 178 pitcher cards with a MOV rating over 100. Very different from PT19.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:25 PM   #27
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Its fine at the diamond level since there is still a pretty big difference between a 92 and 96 etc, and for legendary players its nice to have a more reasonable option for everyone then a middle and elite option.

but there is no real need at all to have multiple silvers of a player, and I really would try to avoid two cards of the same player at the same overall rating
I'm just glad that there is no longer a 1997 Pedro rated 96 and a 2000 Pedro rated 97 since saying 97 Pedro is confusing as to which card someone is talking about.
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:07 PM   #28
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I think this is the biggest mystery for the opening weeks. They seemed to have redone the whole movement scale...that was the first thing that stood out to me in the new database. There are going to be 178 pitcher cards with a MOV rating over 100. Very different from PT19.
It's not a new scale. It's the raw score. The score that appears in the game will be that number adjusted based on the Groundball %. At least, that's what Markus said.
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It's not a new scale. It's the raw score. The score that appears in the game will be that number adjusted based on the Groundball %. At least, that's what Markus said.
It shouldn't take us too long to adjust it based on the MOV ratings that show on a handful of cards without having to populate the entire DB with actual MOV ratings.
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Will the recently released cards be in the game as well? For example Ichiro 93 OVR. When I do a search on the new database, I only find 3 Ichiro's (all bronze cards). Don't see anything like the 99 Red Ruffing either. Just curious as to if these cards are removed or just not on the database
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It might be a lot of work, maybe for ootp 21. But I thought a neat idea would be that the database wouldn't show any cards until it was discovered in an open pack.
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:52 AM   #32
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There are 3 bronze Ichiro Suzuki cards.
Aaron Judge 2 diamonds
Al Kaline 2 golds
Alan Trammell 2 diamonds
Albert Pujols 3 diamonds
Alex Rodriguez 2 d
Aroldis Chapman 3 d
Babe Ruth 2 d
Barry Bonds 2 d
Billy Wagner 2 g
Bob Feller 2 d
Bob Gibson 3 d

I stopped here because I'm not sure you can or want to fix this.
We will tweak some (Suzuki for example) but for most this is simply the way the players performed, I am fine with this.
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Will the recently released cards be in the game as well? For example Ichiro 93 OVR. When I do a search on the new database, I only find 3 Ichiro's (all bronze cards). Don't see anything like the 99 Red Ruffing either. Just curious as to if these cards are removed or just not on the database
Some new cards made it over, some did not.
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It might be a lot of work, maybe for ootp 21. But I thought a neat idea would be that the database wouldn't show any cards until it was discovered in an open pack.
It may not be a lot of work. Markus posted the rarest cards, which means it is possible for the Dev team to query the backend to see if a card has been pulled.

Now being a Dev myself, I know this means that the data is available, but it still may be a pain to retrieve this data programmatically - and that it could be something Markus and team can only do on an ad hoc basis.

If they can do it programmatically, that might be a good feature though. From a pure advertising standpoint, broadcasting a card that has been pulled for the very first time (or maybe a second or third time) would likely encourage people to buy more packs or to start looking in the Auction House.
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at least have more differentiation on cards for the same player- maybe one Bronze, one silver, and one gold version of Pete Rose, rather than 3 different silver versions.
Variation can come in many forms. While this is one excellent example, there could also be justification for a player having multiple cards at or near the same overall value if they performed very differently statistically.

For example, Brady Anderson's 1992 and 1996 seasons could theoretically have similar overall values while playing rather differently (one focusing more on speed and the other on power).
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