Home | Webstore
Latest News: OOTP 25 Available - FHM 10 Available - OOTP Go! Available

Out of the Park Baseball 25 Buy Now!

  

Go Back   OOTP Developments Forums > Prior Versions of Our Games > Out of the Park Baseball 20 > OOTP 20 - General Discussions

OOTP 20 - General Discussions Everything about the newest version of Out of the Park Baseball - officially licensed by MLB.com and the MLBPA.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-10-2019, 07:08 PM   #1
AESP_pres
Hall Of Famer
 
AESP_pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Province of Quebec
Posts: 3,683
Blog Entries: 25
Minor League and 19th century

Will we get minor leagues before 1919? The players are in the minor league database so why not start them in 1886...

Also will we finally get the real team progression in the 19th century this year? I mean no fake stuff like the White Stocking become the Mansfields who become the Marylands and finally became the White Stockings again. Teams disbanded in the minor league so I don't understand why it's impossible in the ML... At least it would be less annoying to make the move if the real teams each years show up, no fake Centenials by exemple to delete each seasons.
__________________
The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated.

The complete set (1871 to 1959)

Just the update (1950 to 1959)
AESP_pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2019, 07:18 PM   #2
mitchkenn
Hall Of Famer
 
mitchkenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Oregon, not by design
Posts: 2,853
there has been an on-going push for 3 years now to get minors back into the 19th c., or at least to 1901. Unsuccessful so far. The game as it is now, only adds a minor league has at least one team with major league affiliation. But don't stop asking. One day, we may prevail. or so i hope.
__________________
"This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne
“They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali
"Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt
"I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen
"Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon
Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston.
"All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt

Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.
mitchkenn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2019, 07:24 PM   #3
AESP_pres
Hall Of Famer
 
AESP_pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Province of Quebec
Posts: 3,683
Blog Entries: 25
Not minor league per se but the Federal League and the Negro Leagues are created without a link with the ML.
__________________
The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated.

The complete set (1871 to 1959)

Just the update (1950 to 1959)
AESP_pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 07:26 PM   #4
mitchkenn
Hall Of Famer
 
mitchkenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Oregon, not by design
Posts: 2,853
Quote:
Originally Posted by AESP_pres View Post
Not minor league per se but the Federal League and the Negro Leagues are created without a link with the ML.
you're correct. but i think the Negro League push had been going on for sometime, esp. since Spritze had them in his alt. database for a number of years.
The Federal league was another major league, which i wished had been reflected in the set-up (as i wish the Negro Leagues had been), but i understand the game is programmed for just 2 major leagues. Certainly wish that would change, or they'd improve the Association feature, which i tried once and found to be at best marginally effective. (Maybe that needs better descriptions on how it can be used, or improvements...)
Anyway - yes, i believe those minor leagues could be put in place but the decision hasn't been made to allow it yet. As mentioned, the players (i've been told) are tucked away somewhere in the database, patiently waiting.
All we can do is keep requesting ..... and keep requesting ...
__________________
"This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne
“They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali
"Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt
"I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen
"Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon
Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston.
"All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt

Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.
mitchkenn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2019, 07:44 PM   #5
Spritze
OOTP Historical Czar
 
Spritze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bothell Wa
Posts: 7,254
The players (1877-2018) are in the game as free agents. All of them we have are live.
EXCEPT
In the wings are the Japanese, Korean and AAGPBL players.
__________________
It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!
Spritze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2019, 01:05 AM   #6
bwburke94
Hall Of Famer
 
bwburke94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Belchertown, MA, USA
Posts: 4,440
AAGPBL would be the hardest to implement, because every single line of text would need to be checked for pronouns.

Japanese and Korean players are a lot easier to deal with.
bwburke94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2019, 03:08 AM   #7
Le Grande Orange
Hall Of Famer
 
Le Grande Orange's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Up There
Posts: 15,386
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwburke94 View Post
AAGPBL would be the hardest to implement, because every single line of text would need to be checked for pronouns.
Heh. Well, I would suggest the issue is more that the AAGPBL played a modified version of softball for nearly all of its existence rather than baseball, as its playing rules make clear. But then, if the rather different rules of 19th baseball can be recreated in terms of resulting statistics, then the AAGPBL could too.
Le Grande Orange is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2019, 07:51 AM   #8
Spritze
OOTP Historical Czar
 
Spritze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bothell Wa
Posts: 7,254
I'd just skip the pronouns altogether. Just use real nouns or even antinouns?

The game is flexible enough to recreate most anything.
__________________
It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!
Spritze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2019, 02:08 PM   #9
Cryomaniac
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK
Posts: 4,902
Quote:
Originally Posted by bwburke94 View Post
AAGPBL would be the hardest to implement, because every single line of text would need to be checked for pronouns.

Japanese and Korean players are a lot easier to deal with.
As LGO says, you could just ignore pronouns. In an ideal world if that is ever added it would be alongside an option for female pronouns, but meh.
__________________

Cryomaniac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2019, 03:30 PM   #10
The Game
Hall Of Famer
 
The Game's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Inside The Game
Posts: 30,766
How can we push to get awards to show up on player profiles for NeL & FL? I'm sure it would either be harrd to code or just to differentiate between minor leagues and MLB
__________________
Go today don't wait for tomorrow
It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed
Don't live your life for other people
Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows
Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out
Throw your middle fingers to all your haters


"Stay Strong"


The Game is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-13-2019, 08:32 PM   #11
scott1964
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Denver
Posts: 5,551
Blog Entries: 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by AESP_pres View Post
Will we get minor leagues before 1919? The players are in the minor league database so why not start them in 1886...

Also will we finally get the real team progression in the 19th century this year? I mean no fake stuff like the White Stocking become the Mansfields who become the Marylands and finally became the White Stockings again. Teams disbanded in the minor league so I don't understand why it's impossible in the ML... At least it would be less annoying to make the move if the real teams each years show up, no fake Centenials by exemple to delete each seasons.
I put my own minor leagues in and working well now, just need to fold them before the real ones show up
__________________
This just feels more like waiting in line at the Department of Motor Vehicles.

PETA.....People Eating Tasty Animals.

scott1964 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 10:39 AM   #12
AESP_pres
Hall Of Famer
 
AESP_pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Province of Quebec
Posts: 3,683
Blog Entries: 25
Yeah I know the procedure but I don't use it, in fact I create the league and move the player manually starting in 1886 with the Southern Association. I create a real history untill I take my Expos at the end of 1968, so I'd like to have the processus automatic as the players and the move are already in the databases (minor league and transaction).
__________________
The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated.

The complete set (1871 to 1959)

Just the update (1950 to 1959)
AESP_pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 10:55 AM   #13
Spritze
OOTP Historical Czar
 
Spritze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bothell Wa
Posts: 7,254
There is no minor league transaction database in OOTP.

There are close to 200,000 minor league players in the database so any such file would be massive and even large.

The minor leagues and teams would need to be added to their respective files which could be a quite large project and take some time.

At this time their seem to be a lot of gamers who want more minor leagues added but a dearth of volunteers to do it.
__________________
It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!
Spritze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-14-2019, 01:20 PM   #14
AESP_pres
Hall Of Famer
 
AESP_pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Province of Quebec
Posts: 3,683
Blog Entries: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spritze View Post
There is no minor league transaction database in OOTP.
My error... I meant the transactions when independant league players are signed by a major league team.

I understand that doing a database with all the moves in every minor league would be insane and way too much to ask...
Attached Images
Image 
__________________
The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated.

The complete set (1871 to 1959)

Just the update (1950 to 1959)

Last edited by AESP_pres; 03-14-2019 at 01:26 PM.
AESP_pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2019, 06:23 AM   #15
Cryomaniac
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK
Posts: 4,902
It would be insane, but it is on my personal "it would be nice to have" list.
__________________

Cryomaniac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2019, 12:46 PM   #16
swampdragon
Hall Of Famer
 
swampdragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Lonely Mountain
Posts: 2,508
How many minor leaguers are in the database in 1886? Just the ones who eventually reached the majors, or is it more inclusive than that?

One of my projects the first year the minor leagues were added was to try to set up the Texas League in 1919 (the only league the game has) with actual lineups and transactions taken from the Sporting News archives and handled manually. There were a long series of problems with that idea and I had to give it up, But I can confirm that trying to do those transactions or even find them all is insane.
__________________
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis
swampdragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2019, 01:44 PM   #17
Spritze
OOTP Historical Czar
 
Spritze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bothell Wa
Posts: 7,254
Quote:
Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
How many minor leaguers are in the database in 1886? 718 Just the ones who eventually reached the majors, NO or is it more inclusive than that? YES
One of my projects the first year the minor leagues were added was to try to set up the Texas League in 1919 (the only league the game has) with actual lineups and transactions taken from the Sporting News archives and handled manually. There were a long series of problems with that idea and I had to give it up, But I can confirm that trying to do those transactions or even find them all is insane.
all the players from the eastern, southern, Pennsylvania and international leagues.
__________________
It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

Last edited by Spritze; 03-16-2019 at 01:48 PM.
Spritze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2019, 03:29 PM   #18
swampdragon
Hall Of Famer
 
swampdragon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: The Lonely Mountain
Posts: 2,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spritze View Post
all the players from the eastern, southern, Pennsylvania and international leagues.
So in theory we could create those leagues in game and manually place everyone on the proper team.

One more question? Do we have the ability to unaffiliate minor league teams in the game?
__________________
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis
swampdragon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2019, 05:15 PM   #19
Spritze
OOTP Historical Czar
 
Spritze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Bothell Wa
Posts: 7,254
Quote:
Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
So in theory we could create those leagues in game and manually place everyone on the proper team. if you used the proper team id's the players would automagically go to the correct team.

One more question? Do we have the ability to unaffiliate minor league teams in the game?
it is on the leagues/teams setup screen.
__________________
It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!
Spritze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2019, 01:28 PM   #20
AESP_pres
Hall Of Famer
 
AESP_pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Province of Quebec
Posts: 3,683
Blog Entries: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
So in theory we could create those leagues in game and manually place everyone on the proper team.

I was sure glad to realized last year that I didn't need to make manually all the moves for the Union Association and the Player League anymore...


Sure happy to know it's the same with the minor leagues... never worked as I use the Baseball Reference team ID. Guess I'll relaunch a game to try it before getting OOTP 20 friday
__________________
The FGs I did for the Universe Facegen pack if you don't want to download the complete file everytime the pack is updated.

The complete set (1871 to 1959)

Just the update (1950 to 1959)
AESP_pres is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:05 AM.

 

Major League and Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of Major League Baseball. Visit MLB.com and MiLB.com.

Officially Licensed Product – MLB Players, Inc.

Out of the Park Baseball is a registered trademark of Out of the Park Developments GmbH & Co. KG

Google Play is a trademark of Google Inc.

Apple, iPhone, iPod touch and iPad are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries.

COPYRIGHT © 2023 OUT OF THE PARK DEVELOPMENTS. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.10
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2020 Out of the Park Developments