New Non-HW Boxers Rated - Page 55

Rocco Del Sesto · 10-09-2005, 09:06 PM

Light Heavyweight England Rating 1

BoxRec lists him as a heavyweight.

41 wins / 28 losses / 8 draws / 22 KO

Hometown/Birthplace: Battersea, England

Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

From 1937 thru March 1941 Woodman compliled a 27-8-4,16KO record without ever being stopped in a fight. This was against much of the local club fighters, guys with 0-0, 1-2, 0-2, etc type records. He did defeat a Billy Gobel(7-19-5,1KO) who at least had a track record, though he was a welterweight. In January 1941 he lost an 8 round decision to Al Marson who was 6-0 at the time. This was the first of 7 fights between these two.

He June 1941 Woodman began to make his move up to a little bit better competition. The next 7 years of his career though would show he could not handle much more then the local club guys as he finished out the second half of his career going only 14-20-4,6KO and getting stopped in 4 fights. As mentioned he fought Marson 6 more times, loosing 4 times and drawing 2 other bouts. He lost fights also to Jack Hyams, Ben Valentine twice, Manuel Abrew, Jock Taylor, Reg Spring, Allan Cooke, Lenn Bennett(30-16-1,14KO)twice, and Reg Andrews(35-12-4,9KO). His only wins of any note were over Jimmy Carroll, Frank Hough(61-26-4,42KO) and Len Bennett.

IceTea · 10-14-2005, 04:33 PM

Jamar Patterson
Welterweight
3(2)-0-0
Rating- 2
Begining

I saw him his first day in the gym and has come along way to be a nice prospect that Buddy McGirt is looking at to maybe train. My opinion is that he doesn't handle pressure fighters well and deosn't like it to the body which well cause him major issues when he steps up in class.

Mr. Bear watched him at the Turning Stone Casino last June during the Hall of Fame inductions.

His picture is on the "missing photos thread".

MJ

David Myers · 10-21-2005, 06:57 AM

Russian-born Jewish lightweight who fought out of Baltimore from 1927 to 1938, compiling a record of 64-14-6 (17).

A new photo of him was just recently posted by Tosti, who asked whether he had been rated.

David Myers · 10-21-2005, 07:05 AM

Another Baltimore lightweight whose photo was just posted by Tosti. He fought from 1930 to 1941, compiling a record of 87-54-13 (37).

Ratings are by Mark Elwood.

David Myers · 10-21-2005, 07:32 AM

Tosti posted a photo of <a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=055805" target="_blank">Tommy Feltz</a> on Oct. 9th <a href="http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=55000&page=172" target="_blank">here</a>.

Feltz was a Polish-born Brooklyn bantamweight who fought from 1899 to 1911.

If someone else has already posted Feltz's ratings, I apologize.

David Myers · 10-21-2005, 07:42 AM

Tosti posted a photo of <a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=052435" target="_blank">Kid Murphy</a> on Oct. 9th <a href="http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=55000&page=172" target="_blank">here</a>.

Murphy was a turn-of-the-century flyweight, although there was no flyweight division then. Consequently I've rated him as a banty.

If someone else has already posted his ratings, I apologize.

mh2365 · 10-21-2005, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Myers

Tosti posted a photo of <a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=052435" target="_blank">Kid Murphy</a> on Oct. 9th <a href="http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=55000&page=172" target="_blank">here</a>.

Murphy was a turn-of-the-century flyweight, although there was no flyweight division then. Consequently I've rated him as a banty.

If someone else has already posted his ratings, I apologize.

Thanks for the rating ... I had created him myself as a 9 rated bantam and he had compiled a 15-2-1 record so far...... I am switching him to your rating and moving him to flyweight since I don't have very many fly's. He will probably be fighting for the very first flyweight title in the LBA sometime in 1910. I had also done Feltz but as I've said several times I put little to no thought into it when I rate guys ... I had Feltz as a 4.

David Myers · 10-23-2005, 03:09 PM

<a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=055847" target="_blank">Grover (The Battler) Hayes</a> was a Philadelphia featherweight who fought from 1906 to 1914, compiling a record of 63-25-22 (22).

Boxing card image to follow.

David Myers · 10-23-2005, 03:11 PM

From a 1910 Khedival boxing card.

Cap · 10-25-2005, 10:25 PM

Was someone looking for a picture of Ruby Goldstein?

IceTea · 11-15-2005, 02:27 AM

Deuk Koo Kim

* I posted this one a while ago but have yet to see a picture.

CONN CHRIS · 11-15-2005, 05:41 AM

A pic was posted in March, but Mike already put one up over in the other thread.

IceTea · 11-19-2005, 03:56 AM

Ian Gardner SMW
19(7)-3-0
Rating: 3

IceTea · 11-19-2005, 04:21 AM

Chad Dawson SMW
20(14)-0-0
Rating: 7
New Haven, Conn

David Myers · 12-11-2005, 12:11 AM

Surely this guy has been rated, but I can't find him anywhere on the boards.

<a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=011856" target="_blank">Philadelphia Pal Moore</a>, whose real name was Paul von Franzke, fought as a bantamweight from 1908 to 1926, compiling a record of 27-29-7 (3).

The record doesn't begin to tell the story, however. Moore beat some of the best fighters of all time, including Al Delmont (twice in a row), Jim Driscoll, Battling Nelson, and Johnny Dundee.

As a consequence, he is a very difficult boxer to rate. This version consistently beats Delmont, though. Nothing else about him is consistent except for his inconsistency.

Photo to follow.

David Myers · 12-11-2005, 12:12 AM

The German-born bantamweight.

mh2365 · 12-11-2005, 08:33 AM

I, shockingly, don't have my game up right now David. But he isn't in my universe so I am pretty sure I don't have him in my game yet.

David Myers · 12-14-2005, 03:08 PM

I haven't seen this guy rated (apologies if he has been). Nor can I find a photo of him. He is rated among Boxrec's all-time top 100 featherweights, though.

<a href="http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=009570" target="_blank">Ritchie Fontaine</a> was a Mormon from Missoula, Mont., who fought from 1931 to 1944. Along the way he defeated Henry Armstrong, Tony Chavez, Johnny Pena, Jackie Wilson (both Pittsburgh's and L.A.'s), Everett Rightmire, Pete DeGrasse, and Umio Gen.

CONN CHRIS · 12-14-2005, 03:13 PM

Thanks David, as luck would have it - I had a photo of Fontaine kicking around.

jofre · 12-14-2005, 03:20 PM

Here is an alternate

10-14-2005, 04:33 PM	#1082
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,772	Jamar Patterson Welterweight 3(2)-0-0 Rating- 2 Begining I saw him his first day in the gym and has come along way to be a nice prospect that Buddy McGirt is looking at to maybe train. My opinion is that he doesn't handle pressure fighters well and deosn't like it to the body which well cause him major issues when he steps up in class. Mr. Bear watched him at the Turning Stone Casino last June during the Hall of Fame inductions. His picture is on the "missing photos thread". MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 02-23-2008 at 07:02 PM.

10-23-2005, 03:11 PM	#1089
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Grover Hayes From a 1910 Khedival boxing card. <br> Attached Images __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas

10-25-2005, 10:25 PM	#1090
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,776 Blog Entries: 4	Was someone looking for a picture of Ruby Goldstein? Attached Images __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

11-15-2005, 02:27 AM	#1091
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,772	Deuk Koo Kim Deuk Koo Kim * I posted this one a while ago but have yet to see a picture. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 02-23-2008 at 07:00 PM.

11-15-2005, 05:41 AM	#1092
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,372	A pic was posted in March, but Mike already put one up over in the other thread. __________________ Check Out My Cards! Last edited by CONN CHRIS; 11-15-2005 at 05:45 AM.

11-19-2005, 03:56 AM	#1093
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,772	Ian Gardner SMW 19(7)-3-0 Rating: 3 __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 02-23-2008 at 07:00 PM.

11-19-2005, 04:21 AM	#1094
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,772	Chad Dawson SMW 20(14)-0-0 Rating: 7 New Haven, Conn __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/ Last edited by IceTea; 02-23-2008 at 07:00 PM.

12-11-2005, 12:12 AM	#1096
David Myers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 693	Philadelphia Pal Moore The German-born bantamweight. <br> Attached Images __________________ David Myers Houston, Texas

12-11-2005, 08:33 AM	#1097
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I, shockingly, don't have my game up right now David. But he isn't in my universe so I am pretty sure I don't have him in my game yet.

12-14-2005, 03:13 PM	#1099
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,372	Thanks David, as luck would have it - I had a photo of Fontaine kicking around. Attached Images __________________ Check Out My Cards! Last edited by CONN CHRIS; 12-14-2005 at 03:15 PM.

12-14-2005, 03:20 PM	#1100
jofre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,139	Fontaine Alternate Here is an alternate Attached Images __________________ jofre