Possible bug? New York players

Peregrine · 06-22-2011, 03:19 PM

I'm not sure if anyone else is seeing this but in my current fictional game that I created after the patch today, I am seeing something odd. Currently out of 62 pages of American players, 19 full pages of them are from New York (New York.) This seem way out of line considering other major cities like Chicago and Los Angeles have about a half a page of players each.

Something weird just with this one league? I'm not sure.

oman19 · 06-22-2011, 03:34 PM

You know what I went and looked at this past draft class in my game and it's the samething.

Carplos · 06-22-2011, 03:52 PM

What's the population listed as in the World Screen?

Peregrine · 06-22-2011, 04:01 PM

8,107,916 - for New York.

Carplos · 06-22-2011, 04:11 PM

Dunno then. Thought maybe someone accidentally added an extra digit when changing from the txt to xml files or something.

Maybe Markus overtweaked it while working on the new world database interaction. Hopefully he'll take a look.

redmarkYankees · 06-22-2011, 04:36 PM

I'm not sure it's just New York:

I just quick-simmed to the draft... 1050 players in the draft -

Chicago: 8 players
Dallas: 3
LA: 9
Maracaibo: 42 (Caracas had 9)
New York: 194

Venezuela, Mexico, Puerto Rico etc all seem to have an issue similar to Maracaibo.

edit: yep, looks like the biggest city in each country is getting a hugely disproportionate number of 'births'. I suppose I should try a quick fictional league and inaugural draft, to see if it's just an MLB issue or not.

edit: if you get 'city of birth' "unknown", with an odd looking flag (looks familiar, I'll try and place it), clicking the flag crashes the game. edit: Afghan flag.

RchW · 06-22-2011, 04:45 PM

The evil empire reaches into program files. Bah.

redmarkYankees · 06-22-2011, 04:51 PM

Fictional league, inaugural draft, just over 20% of the 3240 draftees are from New York. About 4% are from Maracaibo and 6% from Santo Domingo.

(The New York figure doesn't include Queens, Bronx and Brooklyn, which have a number of their own. No one ever from Manhattan, though).

redmarkYankees · 06-22-2011, 05:00 PM

Looks like a pretty significant (if sort-of cosmetic) bug.

For example, of the Dominican Republic players in the inaugural draft, about 70% are from Santo Domingo; of Venezuelans, half are from Maracaibo.

The largest city in each country (even if only slightly larger than the next largest, checking the figures in the World screen) seems to have a very high proportion of all 'births'.

(Re-name thread to 'City of Birth Bug' ?)

ashantewarrier · 06-22-2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

The evil empire reaches into program files. Bah.

Hey! I'm a native Noo Yawker.....! Not all New Yorkers are Yankee fans. Remember, the metropolitan area is so large that at one time we supported three teams.

BTW- Yeah, I'm a Yankee fan since I was 8 years old back in 1973.

silvam14 · 06-22-2011, 05:28 PM

Markus should look at this

ashantewarrier · 06-22-2011, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

I'm not sure it's just New York:

edit: I suppose I should try a quick fictional league and inaugural draft, to see if it's just an MLB issue or not.

Did you complete your test with the fictional league? Is it just an MLB roster issue?

redmarkYankees · 06-22-2011, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

Did you complete your test with the fictional league? Is it just an MLB roster issue?

See post #8. Affects fictional too.

ashantewarrier · 06-22-2011, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

See post #8. Affects fictional too.

Aww man! Just when I was getting ready to start my fictional league. Now I have to wait until this is addressed. Yeah, Markus will have look into this.....

redmarkYankees · 06-22-2011, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashantewarrier

Aww man! Just when I was getting ready to start my fictional league. Now I have to wait until this is addressed. Yeah, Markus will have look into this.....

By all means run a quick test - there's a possibility something about my and the OP's configuration (pre-order 12.01 plus patch rather than 12.03 full install?) has caused this. More people testing with different installs would be good to confirm.

OakDragon · 06-22-2011, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

By all means run a quick test - there's a possibility something about my and the OP's configuration (pre-order 12.01 plus patch rather than 12.03 full install?) has caused this. More people testing with different installs would be good to confirm.

I'm seeing it in 12.03 full install fictionals on a Mac, too.

ashantewarrier · 06-22-2011, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

By all means run a quick test - there's a possibility something about my and the OP's configuration (pre-order 12.01 plus patch rather than 12.03 full install?) has caused this. More people testing with different installs would be good to confirm.

I'll run a quick test shortly and provide my results.

EDIT: Unfortunately, I'm seeing it too. I'm using build 12.0.3 full install. Also players with unknown city of origin has the Afghan flag by default and clicking the flag crashes the game.

Markmeister · 06-22-2011, 08:10 PM

I have been looking at the xml file and I think I may see the issue.

Using Djibouti as an example (because it is small). There are 864,000 people, but if you add the city populations up it is only 715,977.

I think this may be the source of the problem. I can't prove it though.

Code:

		<NATION id="54" name="Djibouti" pop="864000" lid="17" gender="0" bbqual="0" abbr="DJI" dem="Djiboutian">
			<ETHNICITIES>
			<ETHNICITY lid="17" pct="100" />
			</ETHNICITIES>
			<STATES>
			<STATE id="927" name="Jibuti" pop="623891" abbr="JIB">
				<CITIES>
				<CITY id="34666" name="Jibuti" pop="623891" lat="11.56" long="43.15" abbr="JIB" />
				</CITIES>
			</STATE>
			<STATE id="928" name="Ali Sabih" pop="40074" abbr="ALI">
				<CITIES>
				<CITY id="5228" name="Ali Sabih" pop="40074" lat="11.16" long="42.71" abbr="ALI" />
				</CITIES>
			</STATE>
			<STATE id="929" name="Tajurah" pop="22193" abbr="TAJ">
				<CITIES>
				<CITY id="78058" name="Tajurah" pop="22193" lat="11.79" long="42.89" abbr="TAJ" />
				</CITIES>
			</STATE>
			<STATE id="930" name="Awbuk" pop="17776" abbr="AWB">
				<CITIES>
				<CITY id="5136" name="Awbuk" pop="17776" lat="11.97" long="43.29" abbr="AWB" />
				</CITIES>
			</STATE>
			<STATE id="931" name="Dih_il" pop="12043" abbr="DIH">
				<CITIES>
				<CITY id="20650" name="Dih_il" pop="12043" lat="11.11" long="42.37" abbr="DIH" />
				</CITIES>
			</STATE>
			</STATES>
			<CAPITAL id="34666" />
		</NATION>

Markmeister · 06-22-2011, 08:17 PM

Ran a small test draft. U.S. players only and 4 teams

184 total players generated. 48 were from New York (New York)

ashantewarrier · 06-22-2011, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

(The New York figure doesn't include Queens, Bronx and Brooklyn, which have a number of their own. No one ever from Manhattan, though).

Manhattan is, for all intent and purposes, referred to as "New York City." For example if you mail or send something to a New York, NY address it will be delivered somewhere in Manhattan.

06-22-2011, 03:19 PM	#1
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	Possible bug? New York players I'm not sure if anyone else is seeing this but in my current fictional game that I created after the patch today, I am seeing something odd. Currently out of 62 pages of American players, 19 full pages of them are from New York (New York.) This seem way out of line considering other major cities like Chicago and Los Angeles have about a half a page of players each. Something weird just with this one league? I'm not sure.

06-22-2011, 03:34 PM	#2
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06-22-2011, 04:01 PM	#4
Peregrine All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cary, North Carolina Posts: 635	8,107,916 - for New York. Last edited by Peregrine; 06-22-2011 at 04:10 PM.

06-22-2011, 04:36 PM	#6
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,283	I'm not sure it's just New York: I just quick-simmed to the draft... 1050 players in the draft - Chicago: 8 players Dallas: 3 LA: 9 Maracaibo: 42 (Caracas had 9) New York: 194 Venezuela, Mexico, Puerto Rico etc all seem to have an issue similar to Maracaibo. edit: yep, looks like the biggest city in each country is getting a hugely disproportionate number of 'births'. I suppose I should try a quick fictional league and inaugural draft, to see if it's just an MLB issue or not. edit: if you get 'city of birth' "unknown", with an odd looking flag (looks familiar, I'll try and place it), clicking the flag crashes the game. edit: Afghan flag. __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell Last edited by redmarkYankees; 06-22-2011 at 05:26 PM.

06-22-2011, 04:45 PM	#7
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06-22-2011, 03:52 PM	#3
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,688 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	What's the population listed as in the World Screen?

06-22-2011, 04:11 PM	#5
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,688 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Dunno then. Thought maybe someone accidentally added an extra digit when changing from the txt to xml files or something. Maybe Markus overtweaked it while working on the new world database interaction. Hopefully he'll take a look.

06-22-2011, 04:51 PM	#8
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,283	Fictional league, inaugural draft, just over 20% of the 3240 draftees are from New York. About 4% are from Maracaibo and 6% from Santo Domingo. (The New York figure doesn't include Queens, Bronx and Brooklyn, which have a number of their own. No one ever from Manhattan, though). __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell Last edited by redmarkYankees; 06-22-2011 at 04:54 PM.

06-22-2011, 05:00 PM	#9
redmarkYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,283	Looks like a pretty significant (if sort-of cosmetic) bug. For example, of the Dominican Republic players in the inaugural draft, about 70% are from Santo Domingo; of Venezuelans, half are from Maracaibo. The largest city in each country (even if only slightly larger than the next largest, checking the figures in the World screen) seems to have a very high proportion of all 'births'. (Re-name thread to 'City of Birth Bug' ?) __________________ In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. George Orwell Last edited by redmarkYankees; 06-22-2011 at 05:05 PM.

06-22-2011, 05:28 PM	#11
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,746	Markus should look at this __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

06-22-2011, 08:17 PM	#19
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