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Not really. I mean, if you were to show no correlation that might disprove it but I suspect there is a correlation. The issue here is time order: bad teams use more players than good ones because they aren't as interested in optimizing their roster to win games. I'm not sure how you would control for that, as it seems to be intrinsically linked to wins and losses.
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I showed the stats, there are documented issues of his sulking, whether you take it in is not my concern. I stated my opinion on Grove using stats to back it up, it is not life or death if you want to think he's great. I don't think he is...end of this conversation, on my end. This thread has been taken off track... LEVERAGING is what I'd like to see SOME managers liked to throw their main P vs the strongest teams in their league, and throwing what amounted to their #3 and #4 SP against the 2nd division. I'd LIKE to see it in the game Last edited by Carlton; 11-10-2014 at 09:55 AM. |
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11-10-2014, 09:46 AM | #24 | |
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You took my words and spun them to fix whatever point you are trying to make which is off the tracks, off the county, off the state line of my point. Teams staying together have a better chemistry, IF the players have a good personality....if you don't use personality, chemistry will NOT be on. It won't make bad players and teams better, it would make good teams better than other comparable teams and bad teams better than comparable teams. Last edited by Carlton; 11-10-2014 at 09:55 AM. |
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11-10-2014, 01:40 PM | #25 | |
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The human player can do that now, so I presume you want the AI to do that as well. But how could that be coded? Manipulating the rotation can be tricky even for a human player. How would you suggest "nudging" the AI so that it matched up its best pitchers against its toughest opponents? |
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I've explained my position on team "chemistry" elsewhere on these boards and I won't belabor the point here. But since you have "many examples" of team chemistry, I challenge you to provide one example of a bad team with good chemistry. |
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You know, yes, we get it, you don't like Lefty Grove, he was surly, you never met him, move on. And yes, this thread is off the rails. But come on man, I think it's you who's not seeing the big picture here on Grove. According to actual stats, not ones you selectively pick from the first several years of his career, Grove performed rather well in regards to the rest of the league versus the Yankees of the 20's and 30's. How many other pitchers performed at a .576 winning percentage against them. The 59 decisions is right in line with his decisions against other teams. Versus the Browns, the numbers skew higher, but I'm sure most pitchers numbers did versus St. Louis, in the same way they went south versus the Yankees. Sorry man, I'm just not seeing it your way and as they say about opinions, but I think numbers historically along with the opinions of thousands of actual baseball experts might be a tad bit more compelling regarding Lefty.
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ETA: I've already got an Excel file which lists the total number of players which appeared on each major league club during a season. But I'd have to merge that data with one containing the records for each club each season. And I just don't feel like doing that work at the present. :P Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 11-12-2014 at 07:54 PM. |
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I'm really unsure how this whole thread came down to lefty grove.
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11-13-2014, 10:54 AM | #30 | |
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Well, okay, not everything, but it was an easy line. |
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11-13-2014, 11:16 AM | #31 |
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Yes, it is odd where these threads go...but that's what makes life interesting.
I'm surprised nobody even brought up the fact that Lefty Grove didn't even have to face the best offense in the league for a portion of his career...his own team (yes, certainly the Yankees were good too...). |
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In addition, although I haven't looked closely at Three Finger Brown's record, I would note that, in the most important game of the 1908 regular season - the make-up game against the Giants that determined the pennant - Frank Chance started Jack Pfiester, not Brown, even though Brown was rested (and would pitch in that game as a reliever). |
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11-18-2014, 09:07 AM | #33 | |
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Anyway, I could go and spend 45 minutes using statistical analysis to prove those people and the others wrong. However, my experience is that all it does is waste my time and they hold on tighter to that grudge and dislike me even more. That's a "them" problem and shows their character. But for my last post for the few who are open minded... http://www.amazon.com/Evaluating-Bas.../dp/0786439203 That is a great book to read on managers and pitching leveraging, which happened, I've spent way too much time on 19th century and deadball era baseball to sit here and accept others "uh uh, no it didn't" counterpoints. Last edited by Carlton; 11-18-2014 at 09:09 AM. |
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(1) Paranoid much? (2) It's interesting to note that one possibility you haven't apparently considered as to why there are posts disagreeing with your positions: they disagree with your position because you have not as yet made a sufficiently compelling case. |
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A better example would be Whitey Ford who faced the top teams and not the Senators and A's. There is a good bit of analysis out there to support Stengel's stated strategy.
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ain't saying I believe it but it is what they are saying. If true its even more embarrassing than the 2-8 record. No professional should be happy with such turrible results |
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11-23-2014, 01:53 PM | #38 |
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I don't doubt it. Jim Bouton made the 1969 Seattle Pilots sound like a fun bunch too. But "team chemistry" can't mean the same thing as "team happiness." If it did, then it would be truly redundant. After all, we already have a term for "happiness" -- it's called "happiness." Furthermore, advocates of "chemistry" argue that it not only reflects some sort of team group dynamic, but that it also explains why a team with "chemistry" is better than one without it. The mystery, then, is whether any bad team could have "chemistry," and how much better a bad team with "chemistry" is as opposed to a bad team without "chemistry."
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