Historical mode - 1979 NHL expansion

KooPee · 04-08-2014, 10:44 AM

I got fired after my team New England Whalers switched from WHA to NHL. This happened despite having the no firing option on.

I had a good game going on and now it´s all down the drain

mgom27 · 04-08-2014, 10:56 AM

Just take the Team back over.

KooPee · 04-08-2014, 11:56 AM

Yup, I could´ve done that, but I didn´t. The point is, I shouldn´t have been fired in the first place!

Anyways, I got offered a job with the Jets and by the looks of it, I´m gonna have my hands full for the time being.

JeffR · 04-08-2014, 01:35 PM

Yeah, this is a limitation of the game engine right now - the four 1979 NHL expansion teams are separate entities from their WHA predecessors. So when the WHA dies, the teams go with it, and their staff (including you) becomes unemployed. I'd like to get that whole WHA-NHL transition operating a lot more like it did in real life, but it'll mean Sebastian having to go in and hardcode a bunch of things - in addition to staff transferring over, there also needs to be a variety of rules that handle player protection and claims by NHL teams.

AEWHistory · 04-08-2014, 06:23 PM

To be fair to the designers here, the 1979 expansion/merger/whateveryawannacallit is an extremely odd event that would be exceedingly difficult to simulate properly. You need to fold the WHA, bring those teams in the NHL, and then have a reverse expansion draft where the WHA teams can only protect four players (2g and 2 other players) so the "old" NHL teams can reclaim their players. THEN the "old" NHL teams would protect a much larger core of players while the former WHA teams rummaged among those scraps to rebuild. And then instead of getting the top picks in the next draft they'd get the bottom picks (yea, the NHL wasn't nice to the WHA... no surprise).

Now that's a trimmed down version because if you really wanted to sim the merger properly then you'd need to take historic changes into account. So you'd need a mechanism for the NHL owners to vote on the merger. You'd also need a mechanism for the WHA teams that are more and less successful financially to move in and out of contention for inclusion in the NHL merger. In other words you'd need to be able to simulate a nice little chunk of economic history. Even then you'd be leaving a lot out.

Anyway, none of that means that you should've been automatically fired during the merger. EDIT: I see how they did the "merger" above. This is the easiest and fastest route, no doubt. Maybe in a future version there will be a more complex or robust system or even a way to simulate the WHA surviving (it was always a longshot IMO). That's definitely going to have to wait methinks.

04-08-2014, 10:44 AM	#1
KooPee Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 18	Historical mode - 1979 NHL expansion I got fired after my team New England Whalers switched from WHA to NHL. This happened despite having the no firing option on. I had a good game going on and now it´s all down the drain

04-08-2014, 10:56 AM	#2
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,520	Just take the Team back over. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

04-08-2014, 06:23 PM	#5
AEWHistory Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Trenton, NJ Posts: 159	To be fair to the designers here, the 1979 expansion/merger/whateveryawannacallit is an extremely odd event that would be exceedingly difficult to simulate properly. You need to fold the WHA, bring those teams in the NHL, and then have a reverse expansion draft where the WHA teams can only protect four players (2g and 2 other players) so the "old" NHL teams can reclaim their players. THEN the "old" NHL teams would protect a much larger core of players while the former WHA teams rummaged among those scraps to rebuild. And then instead of getting the top picks in the next draft they'd get the bottom picks (yea, the NHL wasn't nice to the WHA... no surprise). Now that's a trimmed down version because if you really wanted to sim the merger properly then you'd need to take historic changes into account. So you'd need a mechanism for the NHL owners to vote on the merger. You'd also need a mechanism for the WHA teams that are more and less successful financially to move in and out of contention for inclusion in the NHL merger. In other words you'd need to be able to simulate a nice little chunk of economic history. Even then you'd be leaving a lot out. Anyway, none of that means that you should've been automatically fired during the merger. EDIT: I see how they did the "merger" above. This is the easiest and fastest route, no doubt. Maybe in a future version there will be a more complex or robust system or even a way to simulate the WHA surviving (it was always a longshot IMO). That's definitely going to have to wait methinks. __________________ Colorado Rockies/New Jersey Devils fan since '81-'82... became a fan when the Rockies announced they were planning to move to NJ. Last edited by AEWHistory; 04-11-2014 at 12:49 PM.

04-08-2014, 11:56 AM	#3
KooPee Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 18	Yup, I could´ve done that, but I didn´t. The point is, I shouldn´t have been fired in the first place! Anyways, I got offered a job with the Jets and by the looks of it, I´m gonna have my hands full for the time being.

04-08-2014, 01:35 PM	#4
JeffR FHM Producer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kelowna, BC Posts: 16,625	Yeah, this is a limitation of the game engine right now - the four 1979 NHL expansion teams are separate entities from their WHA predecessors. So when the WHA dies, the teams go with it, and their staff (including you) becomes unemployed. I'd like to get that whole WHA-NHL transition operating a lot more like it did in real life, but it'll mean Sebastian having to go in and hardcode a bunch of things - in addition to staff transferring over, there also needs to be a variety of rules that handle player protection and claims by NHL teams.