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[mza]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

SONNY AMOROSO - LW (1953-1955) Overall Rating = 2

Hometown - Oakland, California

3(3)-2-0

Scored three TKO wins before losing a ten rounder to Tony Dupas and calling it quits.

That is completely inaccurate. Sonny Amoroso's can be seen here:

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mza

That is completely inaccurate. Sonny Amoroso's can be seen here:

Wow. Boxrec has received a great deal of new research since that rating was originally posted. We should re-rate him.

You will find that with any number of historical fighters that the members of this board rate. We generally go by what boxrec has listed unless other information is readily available (and usually, boxrec is the best available source). They are continuously up-dating as new information is un-earthed or otherwise provide to them and verified.

[mh2365]

How dare you post a rating on inaccurate information Chris!!!!

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mh2365

How dare you post a rating on inaccurate information Chris!!!!

Boxrec really is amazing, imagine life without them!

This all reminds me of our friend Joe Grimm. The old boy has been dead nearly seventy years but has managed to pick up 8 or 9 wins since we all started arguing over his rating.

[mza]

Originally Posted by mh2365

How dare you post a rating on inaccurate information Chris!!!!

Well, it should be accurate. Amoroso's record is not complete, even on Boxrec, but it's getting close.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by mza

Well, it should be accurate. Amoroso's record is not complete, even on Boxrec, but it's getting close.

If you have information concerning fights that are not listed by Boxrec I would encourage you to contact them. Without help from interested parties and other researchers they can not obtain these records. I am sure that they will be most interested in any information that you may be able to provide.

Christopher

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by mza

Well, it should be accurate. Amoroso's record is not complete, even on Boxrec, but it's getting close.

The point I think you missed is that when Chris rated the fighter he rated him based on what was on boxrec at the time (in October of 2005 I might add). Boxrec changes constantly esp. on the lesser known fighters from long ago.

If the guys who rate fighters (for free I might add) on the board had to do exhausting research on every fighter no one would rate fighters. As is boxrec is the best source we have, therefore most rate based on what is on that site.

As always if you don't care for someone's rating you can always change it. In this game it is easy to do, you don't need to take a 6 week course in excel to change one player.


One a final note ... I personally don't see anything on his updated boxrec info that would raise him from a 2 rating. Only two other fighters on his record have TBCB ratings .. he lost to a 4 and beat a 1.

[mza]

Originally Posted by mh2365

The point I think you missed is that when Chris rated the fighter he rated him based on what was on boxrec at the time (in October of 2005 I might add). Boxrec changes constantly esp. on the lesser known fighters from long ago.

If the guys who rate fighters (for free I might add) on the board had to do exhausting research on every fighter no one would rate fighters. As is boxrec is the best source we have, therefore most rate based on what is on that site.

As always if you don't care for someone's rating you can always change it. In this game it is easy to do, you don't need to take a 6 week course in excel to change one player.


One a final note ... I personally don't see anything on his updated boxrec info that would raise him from a 2 rating. Only two other fighters on his record have TBCB ratings .. he lost to a 4 and beat a 1.

My point is this, his record is his record, regardless of his 'rating'. To make a statement like "Scored three TKO wins before losing a ten rounder to Tony Dupas and calling it quits." is not accurate. It would be more appropriate to say, that this record was not complete. The tone of the post made it sound as if Amoroso got beat in one fight, and quit boxing, which is untrue. If a informative web site wants to be credible and respectable, it should post accurate statements with correct information, not conjecture. If this is a site about opinions, boxing lore and mythology, then that's a different story. I'm not sure how that can be argued, but if you feel the need, so be it.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by mza

My point is this, his record is his record, regardless of his 'rating'. To make a statement like "Scored three TKO wins before losing a ten rounder to Tony Dupas and calling it quits." is not accurate. It would be more appropriate to say, that this record was not complete. The tone of the post made it sound as if Amoroso got beat in one fight, and quit boxing, which is untrue. If a informative web site wants to be credible and respectable, it should post accurate statements with correct information, not conjecture. If this is a site about opinions, boxing lore and mythology, then that's a different story. I'm not sure how that can be argued, but if you feel the need, so be it.

Are you Sonny Amoroso Junior?

You do realize this is a message board about a game right?

boxrec is largely user controlled like wikipedia .. so updates come when people give them information.

Seriously no one was trying to slight Sonny. Back in OCTOBER 2005 when Chris posted the record that he based his rating (and yes all ratings on this site are opinions) he posted the record that boxrec showed at the time. He was disparging Sonny by calling him a quitter.

While we are on the topic though ... please post any kind of proof that Sonny fought after his loss Dupas and we would be happy to forward it onto boxrec for you.

For the record no one is trying to argue with you. Both Chris and I have said you were right that back in October of 2005 when Chris posted the information it appears no it was inaccurate. It honestly wasn't done with the intention of hurting your feelings 18 months later.

[a87star]

BoxRec has many incomplete records especially from the early days of boxing and some boxing commissions do not give complete information in regards to scheduled fights that take place. It takes the volunteers of the site to research that information and it takes months or even years to fill those gaps.

To criticize someone who created a fighter record and bio for a game based on the info the site had at the time is really petty. I'm sure your a relative of the fighter because no one would make a federal case about it like you are doing.

[tmax11]

I am in the process of a updating my 9,000+ database using the info from boxrec. Correcting info, dates, adding trainers, updating ratings(rare) on all my fighters. I didn't realize how long this would take, I'm up to the F's and it has been at least two weeks. Of course I don't focus that much on fighters rated below 5, unless they have missing birth dates, some discrepancy that I notice or there is no boxrec# which I will add. Anyway, back to the point, as I go through I run across some good fighters not in my database(which I got mostly from cornerwork and this board). I have done 6 where I have photos but no file, the photos came from cube's pack. I will post these here in case anyone is interested. I don't proclaim that these are unfallible. I tried to measure the fighter against five or more opponents that I have ratings for. I also used the instructions in the manual. I then ran a test of the fighters, about 400-500 fights with various opponents, I'm happy with them.

[tmax11]

Mike Dundee 047311 listed as featherweight 1917-1933
Record: 58(27KO's)-18-12.
38 news wins
8 news losses
7 news draws
145 bouts
Beat: Spug Meyers(2), Benny Bass(news), Chick Suggs(KO), Joe Glick, Johnny Datto, Danny Kramer, Eddie Anderson(2news), Memphis Pal Moore(news)
Lost: Eddie Anderson, Joe Glick(2)
Drew: Eddie Anderson(3), Joe Gorman, Babe Herman

I put him at lightweight as most weights that were listed were in that range. I listed the news totals seperately as they were notoriously inaccurate.

[tmax11]

Mickey Cohen 047585 lightweight 1924-1935
Record: 55(25KO's)-25-7
8 news wins
1 news loss
4 news draws
Beat: Harry Dublinsky, Joe Glick(news), Mike Dundee(2), Memphis Pal Moore
Lost: Tony Herrera(2), Tracy Cox(KO), Harry Dublinsky,
Draw: Mike Dundee, Eddie Anderson

Did fight a lot at 137-140, but Mickey had less weights on boxrec. than the others, I suspect he fought more at the traditional lightweight level than some of his peers.

[tmax11]

Tony Herrera 009430 lightweight 1926-1936

Record: 71(20KO's)-25-3.

Beat: Fritzie Zivic, Sammy Mandell, Wesley Ramey(2), Babe Herman, Mickey Cohen, Tracy Cox(2), Tony Falco(2), Lew Feldman

Lost: Bushy Graham, Tracy Cox(3), Lew Feldman, Lou Ambers(KO- one of only two he suffered), Lew Massey, Jack "Kid" Berg, Cleto Locatelli.

Listed as a lightweight, but all his weights are around 137-140 so I put him at junior welter, though lightweight or welter is probably more historically accurate. This guy fought and beat quite a few top guys.

[tmax11]

Barry Michael 032644 Super Featerweight(Jr. Light) 1973-1987


Record: 48(15KOs')-9-3.

IBF Super Feather. Champ. 1985-1986. Lost title to Rocky Lockbridge (Barry did not answer bell for 9th round).

Only stopped one other time. 7th round TKO to Lennox Blackmoore.

Australian and Brit. Empire Lightweight champ. 1980-1982.

A couple of these I added their trainers to my trainers.dat file(which I got from Chris' site).

Note: I edited this 6/20 2007 because I had the birthday wrong, it is now correct.

[tmax11]

Rod Sequenan 005379 SuperFeather. (Jr. Light) 1977-1994

Record: 56(33KO's)-25-5.

Philippine Light Welter Champ.
Philippine Lightweight Champ.
OPBF Super Feather Champ.

Lost two chances at IBF Super Feather Belt.

[tmax11]

I have seen Jesus' name mentioned on this forum but the file no longer existed on the thread where I located it. Anyway, here it is if anyone wants my version.

Jesus Salud 493 Junior Feather. 1983-2002

Record: 63(38KO's)-13-0

NABF Juniorfeatherweight Champ. multiple occasions
WBA and IBF Juniorfeatherweight Champ.
Stopped 4 times, twice early in career, twice late.

[tmax11]

I don't have a photo for this guy, but he fits in with the first three fighters I posted.

Tracy Cox 031889 lightweight (I put him at junior welter)

Record: 77(53KO's)-17-3. fought 1928-1938

Beat: Mickey Cohen, Harry Dublinsky, Tony Herrera(3), Tony Falco, Eddie O'Dowd

Lost: Kid Azteca(2), Harry Dublinsky(2), Tony Herrera(2), Lew Massey

Weighed 137-140 for most bouts. More historically accurate would be to fight him as lightweight or welter, not junior welter. Guy had a lot of power for his era, but he didn't fight as much quality as the others I posted, especially Tony Herrera who he beat three times.

[mh2365]

Thanks for the ratings tmax ... I did have all but two of them but different takes on ratings are always welcomed. My database is up on cornerwork.com and I have over 15,000 male fighters in it. A lot of dups and fictional TC's but still probably have about 13,000 if you want to take a look.

But please keep rating!

[tmax11]

<TABLE align=center><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Tommy Burns</TD></TR><TR><TD>Sex <TD>Male</TD><TR><TD>Nationality <TD>Australian</TD><TR><TD>Birth Name <TD>Geoffrey Murphy</TD><TR><TD>Hometown <TD>Sydney,NSW.</TD><TR><TD>Birthplace <TD>Mullumbimby,NSW.</TD><TR><TD>Division <TD>Welterweight</TD><TR><TD>Date of Birth <TD>1922-05-19</TD><TR><TD>Reach <TD>72 In</TD><TR><TD>Stance <TD>Orthodox</TD><TR><TD>Height <TD>5' 7½</TD><TR><TD>Trainer <TD>Jack Dunleavy</TD><TR><TD colSpan=2> W 62 (43 ko's) | L 8 | D 7 | Total 77


I did not have a file of this guy, nor did a see one after a search. Did not fight much quality. Beat Jimmy Dundee(2) and lost to Ronnie James. Both rated 3(the versions I have). The bio for James shows 60 wins, boxrec has updated to 106 against same losses, so I upped him a little. Anyway, I rated Burns a 5. In case it isn't apparent, the photo I had was BurnsWW_Tommy so you will have to rename it if that is the one you have.


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