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11-20-2016, 02:39 AM | #1 |
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What the heck?!? Is historical minors even playable?
I started playing a historical league beginning in 1919 as the pirates and got all the way through 1930. Then in '31 I lose my affiliate and all the players got released!!
Is this mode even playable because of that or is it a known glitch? Is there a work around? That kind of crap makes me glad my primary way to play is fictional.
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The game's just following the historical precedent here.
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11-20-2016, 08:36 AM | #4 |
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So in 1932 the Pirates are only allowed to carry 25 players? Why wouldn't the players simply go to the Pirates reserve roster? I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt there's one historical player among us, that wants the game to follow that historical precedent. Does OOTP warn the human manager that they will be losing a minor league affiliate and all its players? Does the AI take steps to deal with this situation? I doubt it.
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11-20-2016, 09:03 AM | #5 |
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Unless you're using real transactions, you're probably playing the game as a gm/manager. That means you're signing, trading for and developing players in an effort to build a winning franchise. So, having players disappear from your system due to some historical precedent is not acceptable. If the Pirates lose their affiliate in 1931 according to history, then before that affiliate disappears, all the players should be moved to the Pirates reserve roster.
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11-20-2016, 12:17 PM | #6 |
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Those players who were "released" may have still been owned by the Pirates though they played on loan to other teams. This happened a lot back in the day. Currently OOTP does not support loaned players.
The question when playing a historical league is how historical do you want it. I'd like to see loaned players supported.
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I'm fine with the historical precedent, but I should have been notified at least. There wasnt even anything add to the transaction logs. It was just, players gone
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If I start a historical sim in 1919 with the hope of running the Tigers, I want to be able to sign a young Kiki Cuyler and build a franchise around him. I don't want to proceed to 1922 and find out he's no longer on my team, because the Tigers dropped an affiliate for a season or 2. If I decide to add free agency to a 1920's historical league and it becomes clear I can no longer afford to employ a Ty Cobb, I want to be able to trade him for prospects and be able to maintain control over those prospects. I don't want to lose them in the name of a historical precedent. Last edited by David Watts; 11-20-2016 at 01:20 PM. |
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Given what was happening in the early 1930s, i.e. the Great Depression, cutting costs was the order of the day. Major League clubs cut the salaries of the players on their active rosters, and, in 1932, reduced the active roster size to 23 players for the central portion of the season (clubs could still carry up to 40 players, or its entire reserve amount, from opening day through May 15th and for September). Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 11-20-2016 at 01:40 PM. |
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11-20-2016, 01:49 PM | #10 | |
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edit: Thanks for the info about the reserve roster limit. I had no idea about that. honestly, i didn't even know that they had reserve rosters. I always thought it was just an ootp thing. so when did the reserve roster go away in real life?
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11-20-2016, 01:55 PM | #11 |
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i understand what's happening. The game is just doing what it's designed to do. My question is: Is there a way around it to keep players, or are they just gone to FA?
maybe if we knew ahead of time what affiliates were to disappear, we could make a list of players, and put them on Reserve, or 40 man after the fact - using the commish mode. i guess, short of looking up which teams have affiliates each year, we're sort of in the proverbial dark? Bummer, but i guess i can use BB reference to see the minors each year. in case anyone else is interested, i found a spot where the teams and their affiliates are listed by year .... Minor League Affiliations | Baseball-Reference.com
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This is a case of the game making this great addition to the game, but then handcuffing it by allowing history to dictate its use. We as users have the ability to set the game to follow historical expansion. In doing so, we can either have the game assign the original expansion players to each team, or we have the option to hold an expansion draft and let teams take on a history of their own. Why should historical minors be any different? |
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not trying to resolve the issue with the game. i agree it's less than ideal, to put it mildly. ... merely offered a work around.
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11-20-2016, 02:40 PM | #16 |
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Come 1932 when many leagues blink back on there are not enough players to fill rosters as if the Pirates had the only affiliated team in that league all the players on every team in the league went away.
I have asked that once a league has been established it remain so until it historically goes away forever. If we cannot get loaned players added then perhaps the minors would need to have their own free agent roster stocking draft? OOTP17 concentrated on getting the minors in. Perhaps OOTP18 could concentrate on making them easy and fun?
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11-20-2016, 07:11 PM | #19 |
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If player loans turn out to be impossible another approach could be independent-affiliated teams.
I ran a query last year of all the independent teams and a large number turned out to be de-facto affiliated teams as their rosters were made up largely of players who were on loan from a single MLB franchise in the pre-working agreement days. Perhaps this would be a useful addition?
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11-20-2016, 07:25 PM | #20 |
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Still think it would be great if we had the option to turn off historical minors, but still import the minor league players to use with generic OOTP created minors. In 1919 we wouldn't have the Texas League, but all the players would still be available for the draft. 1921, the Pacific Coast players would start arriving. We could start small with 2 levels of minors and as more and more players arrive, we could add levels. This would also allow us to create fictional leagues using real players, both MLB and Minors.
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