Fictional or Historical

Padreman · 05-20-2016, 03:31 PM

I'm just curious it was said the most OOTP players play historical, real league baseball. And smaller percentage plays fictional. I want to see what our community leans toward. Please vote. And if you want to explain why you prefer the type that you play please feel free to do so.

catcherjul · 05-20-2016, 03:54 PM

Definitely fictional! I love to create my whole world and set it my way

Padreman · 05-20-2016, 03:56 PM

I totally greedy I'm 100% fictional plus one real players don't or form I can do in real life it doesn't affect me

mitchkenn · 05-20-2016, 04:05 PM

i start off historical, add Negro League players, the computer generates some International player discoveries some and once in a while i'll generate a few to fill out a draft - so pretty quickly it ends up a historical fiction, or vice sera ... not sure how that applies in your poll, so i didn't vote.

swampdragon · 05-20-2016, 04:10 PM

Only historical.

Honorable_Pawn · 05-20-2016, 04:36 PM

The players of Real MLB players outnumber fictional players nearly 3-1. Fictional players shouldn't bother posting on the forums. Real players are better and are smarter human beings than fictional players.

sol_phenom · 05-20-2016, 04:38 PM

I play both, but I slightly favor historical/real.

grmagne · 05-20-2016, 04:47 PM

I voted for Fictional but it was a really tough call. I enjoy immersing myself in the history of baseball and learning all the players through Historical leagues. But I also enjoy creating fictional leagues where I can custom-design all the rules/features, so I voted that way.

NoOne · 05-20-2016, 04:52 PM

if real players were on the same distribution (roughly) as fictionally created, i'd prefer to start with real players and let it transition. until then, i refuse to do it. i've always preferred real players in all sports games i've every played until now by force... too bad for me.

historical holds no interest for me.. if i did, it would definitely be free-form and a completely new history would result (ie no re-calc). otherwise it would be way to easy for me to win by knowing which players are good, which are not and when they will be good etc. it would bother me that drafts aren't complete and all the other things i read about it... it's simply incomplete in my mind's eye.

BeanballComin · 05-20-2016, 05:05 PM

I like historical because it gives one the chance to beat history.
(Dang 1967 WSox .. I've played that as a single-season replay at least 100 times over).
Fictional, however, engulfs the player in a way historical never will.
It's not even close. Real MLB could go bankrupt tomorrow and I wouldn't care because I have my fictional OOTP league.

Germaniac · 05-20-2016, 05:17 PM

I used to play solely historical, but things use to get boring pretty soon ...

With v16 I got hooked on fictional - selecting cities, nicknames and logos, creating jerseys and caps ... and starting at zero.

In fact, I don't sim any seasons to get a league history, I start with an inaugural draft on day 1 and I love it

Charley575 · 05-20-2016, 05:38 PM

Fictional. Using OOTP to play real MLB is like driving a Ferrari to the end of your driveway to collect your mail.
UNLIMITED COSMIC POWER !!!
Itty bitty living space
OOTP's real beauty is the wonderful world of options it opens up for the user to create any baseball universe one can imagine. There's already a real MLB, anyway, and when I try to play "Real" MLB in OOTP I find that I get my baseball universes confused. I lose track of which teams and which players are performing well or poorly in which universe. I think a lot peoples' hang ups with fictional comes from the unfamiliar names or whatnot. After a couple of seasons though, your fictional players are just as "real" to you as the real players are, or such has been my experience anyway. I started my current fictional league in the year 2000 on OOTP15 and I've carried it over to 16. I sim one day at a time and I'm currently in 2013. I've dabbled in a few other things but always come back to that league.

The Game · 05-20-2016, 05:51 PM

Historical/Fictional.
EBL vs MLB is a recreation of a previous league left off in 2036 on High Heat. After 2036 it will be fictional.
My ABF league has real players in it and right now i am just simming the history til 2000 using MLB as my base.

Eugene Church · 05-20-2016, 06:30 PM

I play with fictional players... you have no expectations from them... thus, you are never disappointed in them.

With real players, some of the greats do not do well in the game... for instance in my All-Time All-Star Association dynasty, Tom Seaver went 7-22 with a 5.02 ERA... Hank Aaron hit .250 and was a second stringer most of the time... Hank Greenberg batted a poor .234... Willie Mays was just a mediocre batter, posting a .250 BA with 15 homers...and Harmon Killebrew never could play regularly... he just couldn't hit for any kind of average.

I just couldn't accept their poor performances... so I switched to fictional leagues many versions ago.

It might be better now with OOTP17, but I don't think I will try it using historicals... I really like fictionals.

Palaaemon · 05-20-2016, 06:46 PM

While trying historical does hold some charm, it does not hold the same appeal to me that fictional and fictional stats only do, not even close. That is not to say that I would never try historical, I just have not had nor taken the time to do so up to this point, but I plan to. I do enjoy reading about any and all types, styles, ideas and variations that people report on here in the forums. I do not believe there is only ONE RIGHT WAY TO PLAY. The beauty that is OOTP, and has been pointed out time and again, is that "It's your game, play it your way!"

. This really should be the official game and/or company phrase as it pertains to their way of thinking I believe.

I could go on and on about what I like about the different styles of play that I enjoy and why. I could even go into why I intend to eventually try each and every way to play that is available to me in the game, but that is for another time. I love to learn and discover. For a long time I had no idea what stats only was until I read a post on it then researched it and tried it and found that I really enjoyed it. It is something so different and much more challenging than the base game. I do see people judge it without trying it, and that is a shame. We all love this game we play, why not give historical a chance if you are a modern player. Or try fictional if you play historical. Or for that challenge give stats only a go, you might be surprised. If you try them and any are not for you, at least you gave them a chance and potentially discovered parts of the game you had no idea existed.

Honestly, what do you have to lose?

Déjà Bru · 05-20-2016, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catcherjul

Definitely fictional! I love to create my whole world and set it my way

Not only that, but I do NOT want to know how things (roughly) turn out in advance!

The Wolf · 05-20-2016, 07:25 PM

There is a large and noisy fictional community here, but official OOTP usage data shows them to be just a minority, with fictional okay being outnumbered 3 to 1 by modern and historical play.

In other words, this poll will yield no worthwhile data.

Déjà Bru · 05-20-2016, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palaaemon

While trying historical does hold some charm, it does not hold the same appeal to me that fictional and fictional stats only do, not even close. That is not to say that I would never try historical, I just have not had nor taken the time to do so up to this point, but I plan to. I do enjoy reading about any and all types, styles, ideas and variations that people report on here in the forums. I do not believe there is only ONE RIGHT WAY TO PLAY. The beauty that is OOTP, and has been pointed out time and again, is that "It's your game, play it your way!"

. This really should be the official game and/or company phrase as it pertains to their way of thinking I believe.

I could go on and on about what I like about the different styles of play that I enjoy and why. I could even go into why I intend to eventually try each and every way to play that is available to me in the game, but that is for another time. I love to learn and discover. For a long time I had no idea what stats only was until I read a post on it then researched it and tried it and found that I really enjoyed it. It is something so different and much more challenging than the base game. I do see people judge it without trying it, and that is a shame. We all love this game we play, why not give historical a chance if you are a modern player. Or try fictional if you play historical. Or for that challenge give stats only a go, you might be surprised. If you try them and any are not for you, at least you gave them a chance and potentially discovered parts of the game you had no idea existed.

Honestly, what do you have to lose?

Good post. You know, there is a way to blend historical and fiction. Basically, I start a historical league but flush out the real players and continue with all fictional ones while letting the league evolve according to real life. I cannot get enough of playing this way!

The Game · 05-20-2016, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

I play with fictional players... you have no expectations from them... thus, you are never disappointed in them.

With real players, some of the greats do not do well in the game... for instance in my All-Time All-Star Association dynasty, Tom Seaver went 7-22 with a 5.02 ERA... Hank Aaron hit .250 and was a second stringer most of the time... Hank Greenberg batted a poor .234... Willie Mays was just a mediocre batter, posting a .250 BA with 15 homers...and Harmon Killebrew never could play regularly... he just couldn't hit for any kind of average.

I just couldn't accept their poor performances... so I switched to fictional leagues many versions ago.

It might be better now with OOTP17, but I don't think I will try it using historicals... I really like fictionals.

I have seen plenty of great players flop but none of them.
Seaver - 247-147 3.52 2600 K 4 time AS
Elvis as Hank HOF
Greenberg HOF
Clu Haywood as Killebrew. So far 3 time AS ROTY.

The Game · 05-20-2016, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wolf

There is a large and noisy fictional community here, but official OOTP usage data shows them to be just a minority, with fictional okay being outnumbered 3 to 1 by modern and historical play.

In other words, this poll will yield no worthwhile data.

Do you have data on historical play? i know Markus & Matt have said more people play historical but i have yet to see any data that supports that.

View Poll Results: Which do you prefer?
Historical/Real	59	38.31%
Fictional	95	61.69%
Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

05-20-2016, 03:31 PM	#1
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,140 Blog Entries: 1	Fictional or Historical I'm just curious it was said the most OOTP players play historical, real league baseball. And smaller percentage plays fictional. I want to see what our community leans toward. Please vote. And if you want to explain why you prefer the type that you play please feel free to do so. __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

05-20-2016, 03:56 PM	#3
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,140 Blog Entries: 1	I totally greedy I'm 100% fictional plus one real players don't or form I can do in real life it doesn't affect me __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

05-20-2016, 04:05 PM	#4
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	i start off historical, add Negro League players, the computer generates some International player discoveries some and once in a while i'll generate a few to fill out a draft - so pretty quickly it ends up a historical fiction, or vice sera ... not sure how that applies in your poll, so i didn't vote. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip. Last edited by mitchkenn; 05-20-2016 at 04:36 PM.

05-20-2016, 04:10 PM	#5
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Only historical. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

05-20-2016, 03:54 PM	#2
catcherjul Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Montréal Posts: 311	Definitely fictional! I love to create my whole world and set it my way

05-20-2016, 04:36 PM	#6
Honorable_Pawn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 6,407	The players of Real MLB players outnumber fictional players nearly 3-1. Fictional players shouldn't bother posting on the forums. Real players are better and are smarter human beings than fictional players. __________________ PBA Quickstart for OOTP Background Images Collection All PBA games broadcast live on Steam.

05-20-2016, 04:38 PM	#7
sol_phenom Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: NYC Posts: 47	I play both, but I slightly favor historical/real.

05-20-2016, 04:47 PM	#8
grmagne Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Toronto Posts: 241	I voted for Fictional but it was a really tough call. I enjoy immersing myself in the history of baseball and learning all the players through Historical leagues. But I also enjoy creating fictional leagues where I can custom-design all the rules/features, so I voted that way.

05-20-2016, 04:52 PM	#9
NoOne Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,167	if real players were on the same distribution (roughly) as fictionally created, i'd prefer to start with real players and let it transition. until then, i refuse to do it. i've always preferred real players in all sports games i've every played until now by force... too bad for me. historical holds no interest for me.. if i did, it would definitely be free-form and a completely new history would result (ie no re-calc). otherwise it would be way to easy for me to win by knowing which players are good, which are not and when they will be good etc. it would bother me that drafts aren't complete and all the other things i read about it... it's simply incomplete in my mind's eye.

05-20-2016, 05:05 PM	#10
BeanballComin Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 162	I like historical because it gives one the chance to beat history. (Dang 1967 WSox .. I've played that as a single-season replay at least 100 times over). Fictional, however, engulfs the player in a way historical never will. It's not even close. Real MLB could go bankrupt tomorrow and I wouldn't care because I have my fictional OOTP league.

05-20-2016, 05:17 PM	#11
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 2,993	I used to play solely historical, but things use to get boring pretty soon ... With v16 I got hooked on fictional - selecting cities, nicknames and logos, creating jerseys and caps ... and starting at zero. In fact, I don't sim any seasons to get a league history, I start with an inaugural draft on day 1 and I love it __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

05-20-2016, 05:38 PM	#12
Charley575 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 541	Fictional. Using OOTP to play real MLB is like driving a Ferrari to the end of your driveway to collect your mail. UNLIMITED COSMIC POWER !!! Itty bitty living space OOTP's real beauty is the wonderful world of options it opens up for the user to create any baseball universe one can imagine. There's already a real MLB, anyway, and when I try to play "Real" MLB in OOTP I find that I get my baseball universes confused. I lose track of which teams and which players are performing well or poorly in which universe. I think a lot peoples' hang ups with fictional comes from the unfamiliar names or whatnot. After a couple of seasons though, your fictional players are just as "real" to you as the real players are, or such has been my experience anyway. I started my current fictional league in the year 2000 on OOTP15 and I've carried it over to 16. I sim one day at a time and I'm currently in 2013. I've dabbled in a few other things but always come back to that league.

05-20-2016, 05:51 PM	#13
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,807	Historical/Fictional. EBL vs MLB is a recreation of a previous league left off in 2036 on High Heat. After 2036 it will be fictional. My ABF league has real players in it and right now i am just simming the history til 2000 using MLB as my base. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

05-20-2016, 06:30 PM	#14
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 35,093 Blog Entries: 1	I play with fictional players... you have no expectations from them... thus, you are never disappointed in them. With real players, some of the greats do not do well in the game... for instance in my All-Time All-Star Association dynasty, Tom Seaver went 7-22 with a 5.02 ERA... Hank Aaron hit .250 and was a second stringer most of the time... Hank Greenberg batted a poor .234... Willie Mays was just a mediocre batter, posting a .250 BA with 15 homers...and Harmon Killebrew never could play regularly... he just couldn't hit for any kind of average. I just couldn't accept their poor performances... so I switched to fictional leagues many versions ago. It might be better now with OOTP17, but I don't think I will try it using historicals... I really like fictionals. Last edited by Eugene Church; 05-20-2016 at 06:36 PM.

05-20-2016, 06:46 PM	#15
Palaaemon Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 258	While trying historical does hold some charm, it does not hold the same appeal to me that fictional and fictional stats only do, not even close. That is not to say that I would never try historical, I just have not had nor taken the time to do so up to this point, but I plan to. I do enjoy reading about any and all types, styles, ideas and variations that people report on here in the forums. I do not believe there is only ONE RIGHT WAY TO PLAY. The beauty that is OOTP, and has been pointed out time and again, is that "It's your game, play it your way!" . This really should be the official game and/or company phrase as it pertains to their way of thinking I believe. I could go on and on about what I like about the different styles of play that I enjoy and why. I could even go into why I intend to eventually try each and every way to play that is available to me in the game, but that is for another time. I love to learn and discover. For a long time I had no idea what stats only was until I read a post on it then researched it and tried it and found that I really enjoyed it. It is something so different and much more challenging than the base game. I do see people judge it without trying it, and that is a shame. We all love this game we play, why not give historical a chance if you are a modern player. Or try fictional if you play historical. Or for that challenge give stats only a go, you might be surprised. If you try them and any are not for you, at least you gave them a chance and potentially discovered parts of the game you had no idea existed. Honestly, what do you have to lose? __________________ I don't have to run faster than the bear, just faster than you. Last edited by Palaaemon; 05-20-2016 at 06:50 PM.