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04-18-2016, 01:37 PM | #21 |
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What escapes me altogether is how one determines an AI player refuses or does not refuse demotion. I can't imagine this being visible through any means.
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04-18-2016, 01:43 PM | #22 |
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It's pretty obvious. Any player with the right to refuse a demotion who is demoted has waived that right. If he's released, then he likely exercised his right to refuse the demotion. The OP is saying every single AI-controlled player accepts the demotion, therefore every single AI-controlled player waives his right to refuse the demotion.
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04-18-2016, 02:12 PM | #23 | |
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04-18-2016, 02:28 PM | #24 |
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Which is why I think it might be important to watch waivers, as many of these high priced players may very well sit there for a few days prior to being returned to the active roster.
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04-18-2016, 02:36 PM | #25 |
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Or they don't. On a few occasions when I receive the Refuses to be Demoted response, when I haven't traded him (which is another avenue difficult to verify actual reason for trade) I've often left him on the roster for an indefinite period until I have a reasonably alternative. In some cases, I simply leave him there. Perhaps his contract runs out at the end of the year, for example.
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So it may refute a 100% hypothesis, but if it's true that players with the right to refuse are clearing waivers and being sent down every time, there's still a problem. |
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04-18-2016, 02:45 PM | #27 | |
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04-18-2016, 02:50 PM | #28 |
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I have been running through the league transactions log, and it seems to me things are working properly, with the AI at times having to retain players on the 25 man roster, while in other the instances the player accepts a minor league assignment. It seems higher priced players have a much greater chance of not accepting a minor league assignment (as it should be...after all, they have leverage) I came to this conclusion simply by studying all the players which had been placed on waivers. I could be wrong in my observations, but it appears to me on the surface, things are as they should be. Anyone else see something different?
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04-18-2016, 03:20 PM | #29 |
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Well, if the player has the right to refuse, and he goes from a major league roster to a minor league roster after clearing waivers... then there you have it. He didn't exercise his right to refuse. That's the only way he could end up on a minor league roster (excluding rehab assignments).
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04-18-2016, 04:09 PM | #31 |
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All you have to do is look at your aging superstars to see that it's not working like it should. In my league Bryce Harper played out the last two years of his contract ENTIRELY in AAA. Mike Trout had 55 AAA games his last season. Rowdy Tellez had 652 HR after his age 35 season, coming off a 55 HR season. He started his age 36 season in AAA and only played 29 games in the majors that year, none the next.
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Some players do accept an optional assignment even with the right to refuse, probably because they think they still have a chance in the organization if they work out a few things in the minors. Casey McGehee accepted an assignment last year, for example. |
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Fair enough, but a. I challenge you to find one other instance of this happening and b. keep in mind that one month later McGehee refused an assignment and triggered his release. |
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Yes. The players go to AAA every time - not back on the active roster (they may get promoted back at a later date, but the issue here is that they're being sent down at all) and not released. I have never seen a player with a Major League contract get released by the CPU teams.
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04-18-2016, 06:22 PM | #38 | |
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someone: "X never happens" me: "here's an example of X happening" someone: "I challenge you to find more examples of X happening." That could go on forever. Logically, one example is all I need to demonstrate that players sometimes do accept minor league assignments, and if you won't accept incontrovertible evidence of that, there's not much else I can do. If you want more examples, google, it took me two seconds to find McGehee. |
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