Question about retired players becoming coaches

PSUColonel · 03-29-2016, 11:25 AM

Does this happen automatically or is it something you must do manually? If you have to do it manually, I really don't see the point since the AI does not have the same capability to do this. I'm hoping certain players "decide" they want to coach.

Harry_BallSack · 03-29-2016, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Does this happen automatically or is it something you must do manually? If you have to do it manually, I really don't see the point since the AI does not have the same capability to do this. I'm hoping certain players "decide" they want to coach.

Ha long time since the CBL old PSUColonel!

--acgamblers

mitchkenn · 03-29-2016, 11:44 AM

i believe it needs to be done manually. at least, i've had to do it that way in my historical games.

Ron. · 03-29-2016, 11:45 AM

It happens automatically. You can also turn a retired player into a coach in commissioner mode.

monkeystyxx · 03-29-2016, 12:06 PM

Definitely happens automatically. Not to EVERY player, obviously. I'm not sure if it randomly decides who becomes a coach, but it definitely happens automatically to those that do.

dcd111 · 03-29-2016, 12:11 PM

Definitely happens automatically, and this was also true in version 16 (not sure about 15, I didn't play that one). When checking a coach's profile page, there will be the option to "View former Player Profile" up near "Available Actions" if he is a former player. And I see this a lot, it feels like half of them at least but I haven't done any rigorous checking, and I've never manually converted one. So it must be automatic, and fairly common at that.

Small sample size and all, but I just randomly checked 10 profiles for managers and coaches in the "Available Personnel" pool, and 8 of them are former players.

I wish there was more fanfare about this sometimes, I'd love to be alerted when former players of mine or famous players become coaches, but I don't know how the game would make that distinction without it turning into a spam-fest.

cavebutter · 03-29-2016, 12:14 PM

Definitely automatically, though I have not been able to figure out what traits in a player lead to his becoming a coach. By the time you have around 30 years of history in your league, all coaches and gms will be former players.

Charley575 · 03-29-2016, 12:26 PM

Sometimes they become scouts, too. When my head scout retired I hired a new guy. Didn't even notice until about two years later that he was a former player.

Mr. Marlin · 03-29-2016, 12:35 PM

I've noticed it happens less often in historical & MLB games. In my fictional game there is a crap-ton of former players who are now coaches and managers. One even became an owner I was surprised to see.

Assos · 03-29-2016, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Marlin

I've noticed it happens less often in historical & MLB games. In my fictional game there is a crap-ton of former players who are now coaches and managers. One even became an owner I was surprised to see.

Sometimes fiction is stranger than fiction!

Rockfan616 · 03-29-2016, 12:50 PM

I do this with certain players, I'll turn them into hitting coaches and pitching coaches usually for minor league teams. Sometimes I'll take a guy who's been either one of those or a bench coach for many years and turn them into a manager too.

jncca1215 · 03-29-2016, 04:54 PM

I turn leaders into coaches.

Gambo · 03-30-2016, 01:19 PM

It's done automatically by the game. I believe it's currently pretty much random. It's a feature I feel that hasn't gotten more love though through community feedback we did get the odds increased significantly of a player becoming a coach.

Maybe we can get a more realistic system in a future version.

The Game · 03-30-2016, 02:19 PM

Whats weird though is that Al Lopez & Leo Durocher after being retired for several years never become MGRs in my league. I turned them into MGRS yet neither one has managed a ML team. I have a guy in my ABF that pitched in 1 game without recording an out and he is among the best MGRS of all time in my league.

Assos · 03-30-2016, 02:31 PM

The game does not know names, only traits and numbers! *in a big booming voice*

Gambo · 03-30-2016, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Assos

The game does not know names, only traits and numbers! *in a big booming voice*

Yeah. I agree it should be more intuitive. My feeling is that there is a pretty comprehensive list of coaches at retrosheet and they could be noted in the database to become a coach when they retire.

NoOne · 03-30-2016, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gambo

Yeah. I agree it should be more intuitive. My feeling is that there is a pretty comprehensive list of coaches at retrosheet and they could be noted in the database to become a coach when they retire.

no matter the facade, it's still just numbers

not related to reply:

they seemed to become coaches/scouts quite often in ootp16. definitely noticed the rate increase as someone mentioned.

03-29-2016, 11:25 AM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,990 Blog Entries: 37	Question about retired players becoming coaches Does this happen automatically or is it something you must do manually? If you have to do it manually, I really don't see the point since the AI does not have the same capability to do this. I'm hoping certain players "decide" they want to coach.

03-29-2016, 11:44 AM	#3
mitchkenn Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Oregon, not by design Posts: 2,853	i believe it needs to be done manually. at least, i've had to do it that way in my historical games. __________________ "This is my opening farewell " - Jackson Browne “They make a desolation and call it peace.” ― Agha Shahid Ali "Maybe she just has to sing, for the sake of the song - And who do I think that I am to decide that she's wrong." - Townes Van Zandt "I saw a young man leaning on his wooden crutch - He called out to me, 'Don't ask for so much' And a young woman leaning in her darkened door She cried out to me, 'Why not ask for more?' " - Leonard Cohen "Hello darkness, my old Friend ...." - Paul Simon Before Mays, before DiMaggio, there was Oscar Charleston. "All the lies about Babe Ruth are true." - Waite Hoyt Avatar is the late great Townes Van Zandt. rip.

03-29-2016, 12:14 PM	#7
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,158	Definitely automatically, though I have not been able to figure out what traits in a player lead to his becoming a coach. By the time you have around 30 years of history in your league, all coaches and gms will be former players. __________________ MySQL, MyStruggle - A self-indulgent blog about my attempts to roll my own MySQL Database with OOTP Logo Gallery

03-30-2016, 01:19 PM	#13
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	It's done automatically by the game. I believe it's currently pretty much random. It's a feature I feel that hasn't gotten more love though through community feedback we did get the odds increased significantly of a player becoming a coach. Maybe we can get a more realistic system in a future version. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

03-30-2016, 02:19 PM	#14
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,807	Whats weird though is that Al Lopez & Leo Durocher after being retired for several years never become MGRs in my league. I turned them into MGRS yet neither one has managed a ML team. I have a guy in my ABF that pitched in 1 game without recording an out and he is among the best MGRS of all time in my league. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

03-29-2016, 11:45 AM	#4
Ron. Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 148	It happens automatically. You can also turn a retired player into a coach in commissioner mode.

03-29-2016, 12:06 PM	#5
monkeystyxx Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 293	Definitely happens automatically. Not to EVERY player, obviously. I'm not sure if it randomly decides who becomes a coach, but it definitely happens automatically to those that do.

03-29-2016, 12:11 PM	#6
dcd111 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 131	Definitely happens automatically, and this was also true in version 16 (not sure about 15, I didn't play that one). When checking a coach's profile page, there will be the option to "View former Player Profile" up near "Available Actions" if he is a former player. And I see this a lot, it feels like half of them at least but I haven't done any rigorous checking, and I've never manually converted one. So it must be automatic, and fairly common at that. Small sample size and all, but I just randomly checked 10 profiles for managers and coaches in the "Available Personnel" pool, and 8 of them are former players. I wish there was more fanfare about this sometimes, I'd love to be alerted when former players of mine or famous players become coaches, but I don't know how the game would make that distinction without it turning into a spam-fest.

03-29-2016, 12:26 PM	#8
Charley575 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 541	Sometimes they become scouts, too. When my head scout retired I hired a new guy. Didn't even notice until about two years later that he was a former player.

03-29-2016, 12:35 PM	#9
Mr. Marlin All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,245	I've noticed it happens less often in historical & MLB games. In my fictional game there is a crap-ton of former players who are now coaches and managers. One even became an owner I was surprised to see.

03-29-2016, 12:50 PM	#11
Rockfan616 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 275	I do this with certain players, I'll turn them into hitting coaches and pitching coaches usually for minor league teams. Sometimes I'll take a guy who's been either one of those or a bench coach for many years and turn them into a manager too.

03-29-2016, 04:54 PM	#12
jncca1215 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 39	I turn leaders into coaches.

03-30-2016, 02:31 PM	#15
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	The game does not know names, only traits and numbers! in a big booming voice