Elimination Number or Magic Number? - Page 3

kq76 · 02-26-2016, 06:54 PM

I'm actually disappointed in the poll results. Before looking at them and reading the thread, I totally thought elimination number would be winning by a landslide. I understand some people are so traditional thinking that they don't care about utility gains, but I like to think most of us are better than that.

My hope is that most people who voted for magic number didn't realize that there's such a substantial difference and just voted for the term that sounded better or is more familiar to them. I could see doing that myself. There was a time when I didn't even know that elimination number was a thing.

Le Grande Orange · 02-26-2016, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

Simply use a positive number for the magic number and a negative number for the elimination number.

This way we get both and no extra space is used.

You don't need both. Having both is superfluous. The elimination number for the second-place club is the magic number for the first-place club.

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Originally Posted by kq76

My hope is that most people who voted for magic number didn't realize that there's such a substantial difference and just voted for the term that sounded better or is more familiar to them. I could see doing that myself. There was a time when I didn't even know that elimination number was a thing.

I get the impression some folks aren't understanding what elimination number is.

r0nster · 02-26-2016, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

I wonder how many people voted on the poll thinking it was a choice between naming conventions.

Probably a poorly-worded poll.

why not make another poll and word it better ??? LOL

r0nster · 02-26-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

What if we put the elimination number in the same column as the magic number?

Simply use a positive number for the magic number and a negative number for the elimination number.

This way we get both and no extra space is used.

my point exactly

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

why not make another poll and word it better ??? LOL

This.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by r0nster

my point exactly

Somehow I missed your point. After rereading I see that this is exactly what you were talking about.

RchW · 02-26-2016, 07:36 PM

If you can't ask the right question don't whine about the wrong results.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

If you can't ask the right question don't whine about the wrong results.

I disagree. My question was plain as day:

WHICH WOULD YOU RATHER SEE?

1. Elimination Number
2. Magic Number

Also, I had a fairly lengthy first post that described what I was talking about. I can't help if people don't know the difference between magic number or elimination number. I never even considered that I'd have to spell it out.

kq76 · 02-26-2016, 07:58 PM

Someone could have taken your question literally. Of course we'd all rather "see" a magic number instead of an elimination number as the former implies your team is in first while the latter implies your team is behind and needs to catch up or they'll be eliminated.

Matt Arnold · 02-26-2016, 08:38 PM

Magic # > Elimination #

The people have spoken

*edit: let me add more of my thoughts.

I tend to be in the playoff picture, so maybe I just have more experience with paying attention to my magic number. I'm not anti-elimination #, and the idea of putting both in the same column is tempting, unless if that just makes it look too confusing (plus we need to figure out what to name the column)

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Magic # > Elimination #

The people have spoken

*edit: let me add more of my thoughts.

I tend to be in the playoff picture, so maybe I just have more experience with paying attention to my magic number. I'm not anti-elimination #, and the idea of putting both in the same column is tempting, unless if that just makes it look too confusing (plus we need to figure out what to name the column)

Oh no, not you too!

Name it: P# (Playoff Number)

edit: Or just call it the magic number and treat it like the elimination number.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I tend to be in the playoff picture, so maybe I just have more experience with paying attention to my magic number.

Me too. But I enjoy watching the lizard squirm.

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Assos · 02-26-2016, 09:12 PM

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Me too. But I enjoy watching the lizard squirm.

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Now, if that is not a Central Florida picture! My dogs do the same thing! But they also believe in the magic of the number!

Why not a click box in the league setting that allow the user to choose which to call it?

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 09:30 PM

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Why not a click box in the league setting that allow the user to choose which to call it?

Brilliant idea!

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Izz · 02-26-2016, 09:50 PM

Elimination Number!

Magic numbers are elitist.

Le Grande Orange · 02-26-2016, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Magic # > Elimination #

The people have spoken

The people are wrong. This is why we don't have unfettered democracy.

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I tend to be in the playoff picture, so maybe I just have more experience with paying attention to my magic number. I'm not anti-elimination #, and the idea of putting both in the same column is tempting, unless if that just makes it look too confusing (plus we need to figure out what to name the column)

Again, you do not need both magic number and elimination number. The elimination number for the second-place team is the magic number for the first-place team. (Why oh why aren't folks getting this?!?)

The Wolf · 02-26-2016, 10:17 PM

So 65% of OOTP players prefer the Magic Number...wait, what?

The Wolf · 02-26-2016, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The people are wrong. This is why we don't have unfettered democracy.

this?!?)

Sterling Archer voice: "Do you want tyranny? Because this is how you get tyranny."

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Again, you do not need both magic number and elimination number. The elimination number for the second-place team is the magic number for the first-place team. (Why oh why aren't folks getting this?!?)

So then what's the elimination number for the first-place team and the magic number for the second-place team? (Sorry, I actually understand it all and was just trying to make your head explode.)

Le Grande Orange · 02-26-2016, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Sterling Archer voice: "Do you want tyranny? Because this is how you get tyranny."

Seriously, we're not doing phrasing anymore?

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

So then what's the elimination number for the first-place team and the magic number for the second-place team?

42.

No, wait, that's the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.

Honorable_Pawn · 02-26-2016, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Seriously, we're not doing phrasing anymore?

42.

No, wait, that's the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.

So long and thanks for all the fish

View Poll Results: Which would you rather see?
Elimination Number	22	34.92%
Magic Number	41	65.08%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

02-26-2016, 06:54 PM	#41
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 10,697	I'm actually disappointed in the poll results. Before looking at them and reading the thread, I totally thought elimination number would be winning by a landslide. I understand some people are so traditional thinking that they don't care about utility gains, but I like to think most of us are better than that. My hope is that most people who voted for magic number didn't realize that there's such a substantial difference and just voted for the term that sounded better or is more familiar to them. I could see doing that myself. There was a time when I didn't even know that elimination number was a thing. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

02-26-2016, 07:36 PM	#47
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02-26-2016, 07:58 PM	#49
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 10,697	Someone could have taken your question literally. Of course we'd all rather "see" a magic number instead of an elimination number as the former implies your team is in first while the latter implies your team is behind and needs to catch up or they'll be eliminated. __________________ My OOTP Wishlist Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project)

02-26-2016, 08:38 PM	#50
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,127	Magic # > Elimination # The people have spoken edit: let me add more of my thoughts. I tend to be in the playoff picture, so maybe I just have more experience with paying attention to my magic number. I'm not anti-elimination #, and the idea of putting both in the same column is tempting, unless if that just makes it look too confusing (plus we need to figure out what to name the column) Last edited by Matt Arnold; 02-26-2016 at 08:44 PM.*

02-26-2016, 09:50 PM	#55
Izz Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,467	Elimination Number! Magic numbers are elitist. __________________ Not only do I play OOTP but I also write science-fiction: My Website A brief history of the Australia-New Zealand Baseball League (AUNZBL 2019-2119)--A Dynasty Report The National Penterham Four-Bases Association--A Dynasty Report