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02-21-2016, 07:16 PM | #61 |
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What percentage plays Online, is that information available?
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02-21-2016, 07:30 PM | #62 |
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Why doesn't OOTP focus on online legaue needs ?
I am really frustrated why OOTP does not recognize on line league players
needs in new releases each year. We online league Commish's continue to struggle with corrupt files (Jim Unknowns issues), issues with Stats Lab and OOTPOU, rookie draft issues, 7 day lineup issues, uploads/downloads,as well as providing a means to run head to head play! It just seems that reported bugs and fix requests for on line leagues is not a focus of their concern. I am very disappointed in this release of OOTP17. |
02-21-2016, 07:52 PM | #63 | |
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League-seasons, major league: 270 (from 1871-2015; includes the National Association and the 'third' major leagues; counts the AL and NL separately) League-seasons, minor league: 3,161 (from 1877-2015; includes affiliated and independent leagues based in the U.S. and Canada; includes leagues which opened but later disbanded during the season; excludes leagues based in other countries, e.g. Mexican League, Dominican Summer League, etc.) My point still stands. Nearly one-third of OOTP's users do something other than the MLB league included with the game. Should that one-third be dispensed with entirely in favour of the two-thirds that are? |
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02-21-2016, 08:03 PM | #64 |
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In answer to the MLB league becoming fictional, I stop playing when the league becomes primarily fake players.
Also it seems like the discussion is an either or. If you ask everyone's favorite that's one thing, but how many of this 65% MLB are also playing historical (like me) |
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Having said that even if a lot of players tweak the rules, that 65% are still using the MLB setup leagues and players and that will always continue to be the dominant factor that draws in users despite the impression one might get from visiting these forums and reading all of the "women's league" and "relegation" etc request posts. Well at least before Markus posted the data we are now discussing. |
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02-21-2016, 08:22 PM | #66 |
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I found the MLB game included with OOTP to be a victim of the uncanny valley, where it was so close to perfect that the flaws I did find stood out terribly and shattered my immersion. Things like missing award winners, incomplete histories, over-complete histories; I just couldn't bear it. I imagine it's gotten better over the past few versions, but I've moved on to playing fictional with little motivation to try MLB again.
And the fictional experience included with OOTP is so good, I struggle to think of ways I'd improve upon it. |
02-21-2016, 08:28 PM | #67 |
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For me, real leagues would always annoy me from any of my preconceived notions. I'd see something "wrong" and it just ruins the immersion.
That is where fictional or alternate historical come in. I use smaller fictional leagues with locations I care about and normally sim out to get some history in place (plus I hate dealing with the inaugural draft), no preconceptions to get past. If I'm running alternate history, I'm using Gambo's DB, I've come up with a point of divergence and some sort of reason for it (typically the creation of a fictional league competing in the same universe, Continental League, something forming during the 1994-95 lockout), or if I'm doing MLB, I'll actually import and sim from 1901 (at least) to the year I'm doing so I have everything in the Gambo/OOTP context. |
02-21-2016, 09:01 PM | #68 |
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I have no problem with modern MLB getting some love. Glad historical is for the 1st time in a few versions.
I will play many leagues in 17. Continue my main league EBL vs MLB. Continue my new fictional 2000 White Sox. Continue, at some point my ABF, stuck in 1948. Start a new fictional historical MLB with accurate teams starting in 1871. Play out the 2016 MLB quickstart in some fashion either as the White Sox with real rosters or draft my favorite players. I tend to give up on these leagues when teh Sox start to suck. So with every version i play just about every way you can. Might even get back into online play.
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02-21-2016, 09:01 PM | #69 |
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I use to play fictional up until I lost my save file for the league when I switched to a new pc. I have been going back to MLB because the thought of setting up a new league seems too time consuming at this point in my life. I really did get into my fictional league but after losing 2 seasons worth of 5 seasons it is hard to want to go back again.
I imagine there are others who are similar to me in that the time factor to get your league the way you want it is too great, when time is in short supply. |
02-21-2016, 10:40 PM | #70 | |
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02-21-2016, 11:25 PM | #71 |
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I know it may sound silly, but one of the reasons I play fictional over the MLB quickstart, is Questdog's name files (which simply don't get along with the quickstart).
They are THAT good. They really help my leagues come alive, and are much more realistic than the default name database. Not to mention the thousands of added names. |
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I was just posting the league-seasons numbers as an illustration of just how many schedules would need to be found and turned into OOTP schedule files (as well as an indicator of just how much history there is to the minors). Fully historical minor leagues require a ton more work. |
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02-21-2016, 11:36 PM | #73 |
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I find it fascinating that folks can run so many disparate leagues starting and stopping. I have the same fictional league going since v3. In my OOTP life I have started 1 league and 1 league only. My league is almost as real to me as the mlb.
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02-21-2016, 11:49 PM | #74 | |
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Even though I have 4 versions of OOTP on my desktop I have never moved a league outside the version it was created.
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The tail was been wagging the dog. But with this data I do believe that the dog is going to take control, because it doesn't make financial sense to do otherwise.
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02-22-2016, 12:16 AM | #77 | |
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Someone suggested six or seven seasons before teams are predominantly fictional and that is about right. By the time I get through about three leagues, it's time for the next version of OOTP to come out. |
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Seems he's saying that by tweaking the rules of modern day MLB it somehow makes the game less "real world" and makes it some kind of partial fictional league? I really didn't understand the point of the post at all so asked the question what makes him think a "quite high" number of users change the rules when using MLB setups? And even if they do, again what is the point? Still doesn't affect the 65% number Markus posted as those players are still in the "real world" user pool. MLB is still the dominant driving force that sells the game and I'll stand by that statement. But if you only read these forums you might come away with a different point of view. Look at the post Habfan linked and it shows ~55% playing fictional and as Markus told us that's not true when it comes to all users. That's a hell of a difference! There have been many over the years that have threatened to never buy the game again if their feature didn't make it into OOTP. No women? Then I'll take my money and go home! No relegation? I'm being ignored I'm never buying again! etc. etc. Nowhere have I said 1/4 of users, fictional players, should be ignored. Nowhere have I said 1/3 of users, historical and fictional players, should be ignored. And thankfully with Markus at the helm they are not being left out. But can we please quit playing the "fictional players are being ignored even though they are in the majority of users" game? When it's simply not true. I'm certainly not, and I don't think anyone else is, saying fictional\historical play should be ignored. But just maybe we can have a little more understanding about why Markus makes the decisions he does about what is high on the to do list and what is not. Now IF Markus was forced to make an either or decision, MLB or fictional, than I think it's obvious what that choice would be. 1/3 may be a sizable number but 2/3 dwarfs it and there would only be an MLB game. Lets be glad that's not the case and we can all have the game we want within the limitations of coding time, and how many users might use any feature that is added. |
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