New Leagues? - Page 3

Spritze · 03-07-2016, 12:21 PM

We do have some BB and K data on Josh Gibson. Fact checked. None for Donald Trump though. I didn't really check this second one. No need.

You are not buying it and we are not selling it to you anyway because your wooden ship has sailed and it has no outlets (nor bathrooms). Let us know when you go over the edge. In the meantime I'll eat cake.

Joe:
BTW the Hysterical AlGoreRhythms come up 762 and 0 using the example you gave earlier. I'll let you ponder which number is yours.

Spritze · 03-07-2016, 12:27 PM

I gotta say I love these types of discussions. Makes me think about things in ways I might have not before. I does agitate my couch squid though.

mitchkenn · 03-07-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

We do have some BB and K data on Josh Gibson. Fact checked. None for Donald Trump though. I didn't really check this second one. No need.

Mr. Spritze: A question.

when you get the NL data up and available, is it going to be a database we can download and then import the players in appropriate years, or will it be as a mod or a minor league?

if a mod, is there anyway to import the players into the database of the main game?

Anyway, thanks for all your work. lots of us appreciate it.

Spritze · 03-07-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchkenn

Mr. Spritze: A question.

when you get the NL data up and available, is it going to be a database we can download and then import the players in appropriate years, or will it be as a mod or a minor league? To be determined

if a mod, is there anyway to import the players into the database of the main game? YES there will be

Anyway, thanks for all your work. lots of us appreciate it.

You are welcome

Motorhead667 · 03-07-2016, 01:46 PM

Spritze and Bigrod thank you so much for your time and effort.

The Wolf · 03-07-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thehef

Offensive? Really? Offensive? Not merely something with which you respectfully, or even vehemently, disagree? But offensive?

You must really be fun at parties.

You like to buy products that say that they are one thing but discover later are really another? I don't. It offends me.

And I'm a lot of fun at parties. I get invited to at least one a week. You shouldn't insult people because they disagree with you.

The Wolf · 03-07-2016, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mitchkenn

you're partially right. There is no K data, but there is walk data.

Josh Gibson - Seamheads.com Negro Leagues Database Powered by The Baseball Gauge
Josh Gibson Register Statistics & History | Baseball-Reference.com

maybe it's not enough for everyone. But in the universe i play the game, it's OK because even with mostly "real" players and stats, it's still a fictional experience. i fully understand your position on this. it just may not apply to the way other people might play their games. It is after all, a game. Have a good day and i DO understand/appreciate your position. it's just not mine.

Ditto. I disagree with you, but I don't doubt that you're fun at parties.

thehef · 03-07-2016, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

You like to buy products that say that they are one thing but discover later are really another? I don't. It offends me.

I doubt this applies in this case. Pretty sure you of all people know what you're getting when you purchase OOTP... I mean, you're criticizing something that has not yet been introduced so it is impossible for you to have bought the product and found out later that you have bought another. And I don't think - based upon the amount of substantive info included in this thread alone - that lack of transparency is an issue as it applies to future negro league players in OOTP. So any "offense" taken would be pretty unreasonable and petty, as far as reasonableness and pettiness goes...

Regardless, your indignation is badly misdirected, IMO, towards those who are doing the work to provide something that many want, and that you are free to not introduce into your game.

andrewv500 · 03-07-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Now you can make up numbers, but at that point you have a fictional league.

It seems this is the heart of the issue. I myself would totally welcome the game adding the ability to select a negro league for use, and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the game considered it to be a fictional league as opposed to historical.

Or even to include negro league players in the player pool in the way some people want the history of MLB/team history/league values but want randomness in who plays where. That would interest me greatly. And to Wolf's point most here would call that a fictional historical league.

I do understand the reticence though I think some of language is a little overheated. If these league/players ever were to be included the inability to produce highly accurate ratings like MLB could certainly be stated out front in the days and weeks prior to release, if not in the very first statement Markus makes upon each new version. And since it would only ever be an opt-in option I don't believe anyone could rightfully claim that they were buying an offensive product.

It is always fascinating to see how intense these conversations become. It certainly is a sign of a great appreciation for this game. And yet they frequently hover around one poster. So as to the Wolf, I've been here far longer than I've been registered and while his tone can be very difficult to accept, I have no doubt he is not dealing in personal attacks when disagreeing - even though it may feel like that! And he doesn't ever back down, or seemingly back off. That said, he does provide a lot of value to these forums in his own unique and different ways. I recommend taking a deep breath and just try to respond to the merits of what he said.

But really, there's got to be a way to make it easy for people to have this option. Maybe the community needs to come up with an add-on

Spritze · 03-07-2016, 04:39 PM

As long as Wolf does not disavow the existence of couch squid it's all good with me. I'll just keep on keeping on.

Spritze · 03-07-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewv500

But really, there's got to be a way to make it easy for people to have this option. Maybe the community needs to come up with an add-on

Another thing to keep in mind is that as far as OOTP goes, none of this even exists yet. We are all arguing about a ghost. It is fun but pointless.

The Wolf · 03-07-2016, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

As long as Wolf does not disavow the existence of couch squid it's all good with me. I'll just keep on keeping on.

I've seen them, so you're good.

The Wolf · 03-07-2016, 07:37 PM

tysnkole6 · 03-08-2016, 04:21 PM

A Negro Leagues mod would be awesome. A few years back, I was in Independence, MO walking through the mall, and they had a sports store closing. Went in just to browse, ended up walking out with a Jackie Robinson Monarchs jersey. Putting that bad boy in a shadow box frame with some other memorabilia, like an old school glove from that era and an oversized print of a baseball card of his. I'll def post a picture when it's all complete. Going in my man cave.

Antonin · 03-08-2016, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tysnkole6

A Negro Leagues mod would be awesome...

I agree. Rating players from any of the Negro Leagues can't be more difficult than rating players from the end of the 19th century or early 20th century.

Those who aren't interested in such a mod, and those who mistakenly believe there are not enough data to even try to create such a mod, don't have to play it.

Motorhead667 · 03-08-2016, 06:42 PM

I'm stoked, I sure hope they can come up with something, this will be huge

Bigrod · 03-08-2016, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorhead667

I'm stoked, I sure hope they can come up with something, this will be huge

We will one way or another..and for all the BS about whether it will be fictional or real...You're all wrong...
It'll be semi real or semi fictional. Call it either one and everyone will be right as some of the data is real and some not.
Bottom line is, it will be as good as humanly possible cause that's just the way we operate, like it or not.

mitchkenn · 03-08-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigrod

We will one way or another..and for all the BS about whether it will be fictional or real...You're all wrong...
It'll be semi real or semi fictional. Call it either one and everyone will be right as some of the data is real and some not.
Bottom line is, it will be as good as humanly possible cause that's just the way we operate, like it or not.

i likes it!!!!

think i'll just call it cool.

and thanks for all the work you guys do!

tysnkole6 · 03-08-2016, 09:16 PM

What I've done in 16 is used the Negro League Quickstart, added in the real world, cleared the Negro League rosters, then exported the MLB rosters, re-created a standard game, and imported the rosters. I always thought it would be fun to see how Negro League greats like Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, etc. would compare with today's modern players.

Motorhead667 · 03-08-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigrod

We will one way or another..and for all the BS about whether it will be fictional or real...You're all wrong...
It'll be semi real or semi fictional. Call it either one and everyone will be right as some of the data is real and some not.
Bottom line is, it will be as good as humanly possible cause that's just the way we operate, like it or not.

Thank you so very much,
I have been dreaming of this since the old days of APBA.
To finally be able to include these magnificent players into my baseball universe is well, a dream come true.
Thank you Bigrod and Spritze
If you're ever in Seattle, like to buy you a drink.

03-07-2016, 12:21 PM	#41
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	We do have some BB and K data on Josh Gibson. Fact checked. None for Donald Trump though. I didn't really check this second one. No need. You are not buying it and we are not selling it to you anyway because your wooden ship has sailed and it has no outlets (nor bathrooms). Let us know when you go over the edge. In the meantime I'll eat cake. Joe: BTW the Hysterical AlGoreRhythms come up 762 and 0 using the example you gave earlier. I'll let you ponder which number is yours. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-07-2016, 12:27 PM	#42
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	I gotta say I love these types of discussions. Makes me think about things in ways I might have not before. I does agitate my couch squid though. Attached Images __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-07-2016, 01:46 PM	#45
Motorhead667 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 576	Spritze and Bigrod thank you so much for your time and effort. Last edited by Motorhead667; 03-07-2016 at 05:54 PM.

03-07-2016, 04:39 PM	#50
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,254	As long as Wolf does not disavow the existence of couch squid it's all good with me. I'll just keep on keeping on. __________________ It's madness, madness, I tell you! For the love of God, don't do it!

03-08-2016, 04:21 PM	#54
tysnkole6 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 364	A Negro Leagues mod would be awesome. A few years back, I was in Independence, MO walking through the mall, and they had a sports store closing. Went in just to browse, ended up walking out with a Jackie Robinson Monarchs jersey. Putting that bad boy in a shadow box frame with some other memorabilia, like an old school glove from that era and an oversized print of a baseball card of his. I'll def post a picture when it's all complete. Going in my man cave.

03-08-2016, 06:42 PM	#56
Motorhead667 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 576	I'm stoked, I sure hope they can come up with something, this will be huge

03-08-2016, 09:16 PM	#59
tysnkole6 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 364	What I've done in 16 is used the Negro League Quickstart, added in the real world, cleared the Negro League rosters, then exported the MLB rosters, re-created a standard game, and imported the rosters. I always thought it would be fun to see how Negro League greats like Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, etc. would compare with today's modern players.