Worrying about starters

js1519 · 10-13-2013, 03:17 PM

I've been playing thru a fictional season as my team and have been impatient with my 4-5 spots in my rotation. I'm into the 1st week of June in my first yr managing the team and started to wonder how other handle it and gauge when to make a change. I just traded for what I believe is a 22 yr old future #3 starter Jorge Salgado to slot into the fifth spot after this guy Han-Soo Pak blew it IMO

Is that too small of a sample to go off of? Did I react to drastically to his performance?

jaysdailydose · 10-13-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by js1519

I've been playing thru a fictional season as my team and have been impatient with my 4-5 spots in my rotation. I'm into the 1st week of June in my first yr managing the team and started to wonder how other handle it and gauge when to make a change. I just traded for what I believe is a 22 yr old future #3 starter (scout rates 42 current 50+ potential) to slot into the fifth spot after the previous guy (rating in the 30s, 20-80 scale, 33 yrs old) was like 3-3 with a 5.60+ ERA after 10 starts (can add pics, just not home atm). Is that too small of a sample to go off of? Did I react to drastically to his performance?

You got a better player by your talent evaluation, that is also much younger.

I don't think sample size is even relevant if the guy was a fifth starter. You should always be looking to improve the back end of your rotation.

The Game · 10-13-2013, 06:55 PM

How often do you skip your #5? In most modern MLB league my #5 will be skipped 5-7 times throughout the season and 3-3 5.60 is ok for a #5 when you are not the Yankees.

js1519 · 10-13-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jaysdailydose

You got a better player by your talent evaluation, that is also much younger.

I don't think sample size is even relevant if the guy was a fifth starter. You should always be looking to improve the back end of your rotation.

This is generally my thinking as well, I guess I'm wondering what others tend to do and whether or not they have success in similar situations.

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How often do you skip your #5? In most modern MLB league my #5 will be skipped 5-7 times throughout the season and 3-3 5.60 is ok for a #5 when you are not the Yankees.

I run my rotation on strict, on occasion highest rested but will usually override that aside from particular games and matchups, as I like to use all 5 as much as possible thru the order.

js1519 · 10-13-2013, 08:32 PM

Previous post was edited with pics for you guys to look at to understand what I'm talking about more precisely. Also for s & g's, I have included additional pics of my team and rotation for your enjoyment lol

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oldtimey · 10-13-2013, 10:08 PM

How is the long reliever pitching who replaces the struggling starter? That's the first place I look when a starter is struggling. Stretch him out, give him a few starts, promote your future ace to long relief, rinse and repeat, as necessary. It's what I do, anyway.

js1519 · 10-13-2013, 10:33 PM

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How is the long reliever pitching who replaces the struggling starter? That's the first place I look when a starter is struggling. Stretch him out, give him a few starts, promote your future ace to long relief, rinse and repeat, as necessary. It's what I do, anyway.

That would be Edwin Jones until a couple weeks ago when, as you probably can see, he is now my #4 lol. Never started a game in his ML career until this yr just a couple weeks ago actually.

js1519 · 10-13-2013, 10:39 PM

In case folks were wondering record wise why I'm concerned....well I simmed 25 yrs until this yr and picked the team based on them having worst record in division as well as only 4 playoff appearances with 0 championships. Every positional starter aside from Osorio, McCray, and Rivera are rookies with less than 200 ABs, Rivera being the only with a full season under his belt.

jaysdailydose · 10-13-2013, 10:52 PM

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In case folks were wondering record wise why I'm concerned....well I simmed 25 yrs until this yr and picked the team based on them having worst record in division as well as only 4 playoff appearances with 0 championships. Every positional starter aside from Osorio, McCray, and Rivera are rookies with less than 200 ABs, Rivera being the only with a full season under his belt.

All the more reason for you to try to get younger making that trade... you can't really be thinking "Win Now" after all... unless they are all clones of Ruth, and probably not even then.

pumph · 10-13-2013, 10:57 PM

I think I'd be more concerned with your leadoff guy hitting .184

js1519 · 10-13-2013, 11:59 PM

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I think I'd be more concerned with your leadoff guy hitting .184

Injury replacement, RF hitting .265 and CF hitting .290 on DL unfortunately

tejdog1 · 10-14-2013, 03:18 AM

17/44 BB/K in 43.1 innings with a .398 BABIP against? Bet you his FIP is around 4-4.20 or so. Perfectly OK at the backend of a rotation.

js1519 · 10-14-2013, 11:36 AM

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17/44 BB/K in 43.1 innings with a .398 BABIP against? Bet you his FIP is around 4-4.20 or so. Perfectly OK at the backend of a rotation.

His FIP was 3.98. I tried to stay with him but I felt I could find someone better than that especially after a 7 run start really demorilized my feelings toward him lol

The Wolf · 10-14-2013, 12:13 PM

Small sample size.

js1519 · 10-15-2013, 03:54 AM

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Small sample size.

How long do you normally wait until making a change in this circumstance?

10-13-2013, 03:17 PM	#1
js1519 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 248	Worrying about starters I've been playing thru a fictional season as my team and have been impatient with my 4-5 spots in my rotation. I'm into the 1st week of June in my first yr managing the team and started to wonder how other handle it and gauge when to make a change. I just traded for what I believe is a 22 yr old future #3 starter Jorge Salgado to slot into the fifth spot after this guy Han-Soo Pak blew it IMO Is that too small of a sample to go off of? Did I react to drastically to his performance? Last edited by js1519; 10-13-2013 at 08:30 PM.

10-14-2013, 03:18 AM	#12
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,618	17/44 BB/K in 43.1 innings with a .398 BABIP against? Bet you his FIP is around 4-4.20 or so. Perfectly OK at the backend of a rotation. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

10-13-2013, 06:55 PM	#3
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10-13-2013, 08:32 PM	#5
js1519 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 248	Previous post was edited with pics for you guys to look at to understand what I'm talking about more precisely. Also for s & g's, I have included additional pics of my team and rotation for your enjoyment lol Pitching Staff Team

10-13-2013, 10:08 PM	#6
oldtimey Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 60	How is the long reliever pitching who replaces the struggling starter? That's the first place I look when a starter is struggling. Stretch him out, give him a few starts, promote your future ace to long relief, rinse and repeat, as necessary. It's what I do, anyway.

10-13-2013, 10:39 PM	#8
js1519 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 248	In case folks were wondering record wise why I'm concerned....well I simmed 25 yrs until this yr and picked the team based on them having worst record in division as well as only 4 playoff appearances with 0 championships. Every positional starter aside from Osorio, McCray, and Rivera are rookies with less than 200 ABs, Rivera being the only with a full season under his belt.

10-13-2013, 10:57 PM	#10
pumph Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 91	I think I'd be more concerned with your leadoff guy hitting .184