historical minors - how does it work?

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by thehef

There's a lot of good info in this thread, and historical minors is somewhat of a hot topic right now, so I thought I'd ask my question - which is most-likely for Spritze - in this thread...

Using the examples of Jim Rice and Fred Lynn... When playing with historical minors, I'm assuming that Rice debuts in 1971 and Lynn debuts in 1973 (just as they did in real life). When we get to 1974, are they rated based upon their full stats, which have them playing a majority of the season in Triple A, or are they only rated on their September call-up MLB stats?

I have no idea. That is programmer stuff.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by thehef

Using the examples of Jim Rice and Fred Lynn... When playing with historical minors, I'm assuming that Rice debuts in 1971 and Lynn debuts in 1973 (just as they did in real life). When we get to 1974, are they rated based upon their full stats, which have them playing a majority of the season in Triple A, or are they only rated on their September call-up MLB stats?

Originally Posted by Spritze

I have no idea. That is programmer stuff.

Can I assume from this that you (and/or BigRod) are at least providing the minor-league data in question, and then at that point it becomes programmer stuff? ... The logic behind the assumption is based on that if you fellas were not providing the minor-league data for players-years where the player also appeared in the majors, I would think the answer would be a clear "they are only rated on their Sept call-up stats."

[Spritze]

We provide stats. How they are used to create ratings is unknown, at least to me.

[thehef]

Another question... Not sure if Spritze, Bigrod, Lukasberger or someone else could answer it:

Why does OOTP debut the PCL (in 1921), Int'l League (1927), and American Assoc (1932) as Triple A level when it's commonly-accepted that Triple A began with the 1946 season?

I see with a few other long-running leagues - the Eastern League (the one that began in 1916), Texas League, Midwest League, SALY - their OOTP history is a consistent one - all years at the same level - whereas in real life their levels changed. So I'm thinking it might've been done to have cleaner league histories in OOTP... Just wondering...

[Spritze]

the names of the levels changed over time as more levels were added. what is now thought of as AAA actually started with an A designation in 1900 or thereabouts.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Spritze

the names of the levels changed over time as more levels were added. what is now thought of as AAA actually started with an A designation in 1900 or thereabouts.

See table below.

Tier  1902 1912 1936 1946 1952 1963 1965 1990
 1    A    AA   AA   AAA  Open AAA  AAA  AAA
 2    B    A    A1   AA   AAA  AA   AA   AA
 3    C    B    A    A    AA   A    A    A-H
 4    D    C    B    B    A    R    A-S  A-L
 5         D    C    C    B         R    A-S
 6              D    D    C              R-A
 7                        D              R

Notes for the above:

• The above is simplified somewhat in that it omits Class E; only one league ever existed at that classification, and it folded before the end of the season
• I'm not sure when Short Season A became an official classification unto itself; the first Class A league to play a short schedule was in 1965
• I'm not sure when Class A was divided into High and Low, nor when Rookie was split into Rookie Advanced and Rookie; somewhere around 1990 is when I can find explicit references to those levels being distinct
• Rookie classification appears in the National Association rules prior to 1963; I personally think the Nebraska State League and the Appalachian League, when these played short schedules, were in fact Rookie classification, not Class D, as is usually stated