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Old 09-13-2016, 04:42 PM   #101
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This example is from OOTP16, but the problem persists.

KC vs. SF (2014)

This one has me stumped. The AI replaces Finegan (LHP) with Collins (LHP) to begin the 8th, even though Finegan entered the game @ 100% and has thrown only 8 pitches. The leadoff batter is Pagan (LHB). Collins gets him out. Collins is then replaced by Frasor (RHP), even though the next batter is Panik (LHB). Frasor gives up a single to Panik. Frasor then retires Posey (RBH). Frasor, who entered the game @ 100%, is then replaced by Duffy (LHP) to face Sandoval (SHB).

Why not keep Finegan in the game to face the LHBs? Why replace Collins with a RHP when a LHB is up next? Why burn through so many relief pitchers?
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Old 09-13-2016, 04:46 PM   #102
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For the record, I realize we can't eliminate all the dubious AI decisions; I just hope we can prevent the AI from putting itself at a disadvantage by burning through its bullpen unnecessarily.
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Old 09-13-2016, 05:39 PM   #103
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For the record, I realize we can't eliminate all the dubious AI decisions; I just hope we can prevent the AI from putting itself at a disadvantage by burning through its bullpen unnecessarily.
I sim most games but I playout all-star game, division games and playoffs and I been in the situation thinking why would the AI bring in a RHP to face a LHB when you just brought in a LHP to face a LHB and took care of him in 5 pitches why not leave him and face the 2nd batter? Made no sence to me
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Old 09-13-2016, 06:12 PM   #104
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This example is from OOTP16, but the problem persists.

KC vs. SF (2014)

This one has me stumped. The AI replaces Finegan (LHP) with Collins (LHP) to begin the 8th, even though Finegan entered the game @ 100% and has thrown only 8 pitches. The leadoff batter is Pagan (LHB). Collins gets him out. Collins is then replaced by Frasor (RHP), even though the next batter is Panik (LHB). Frasor gives up a single to Panik. Frasor then retires Posey (RBH). Frasor, who entered the game @ 100%, is then replaced by Duffy (LHP) to face Sandoval (SHB).

Why not keep Finegan in the game to face the LHBs? Why replace Collins with a RHP when a LHB is up next? Why burn through so many relief pitchers?


I think I have potential answers to 2 of the 3 questions, depending on the facts at hand:


1) The "now in LF" line under the new pitcher indicates a double switch, so I think this was about moving the pitcher's spot around in the order, not the handedness of the pitcher vs the upcoming batter.


2) I've got nothing on this one, does the LHB have a reverse split?


3) Two partial answers - 1) the NL is stupid and this makes for more subs from double-switching, and more seriously 2) was Sandoval rated as a worse RHB than LHB? I ask because it looks like the AI may have correctly decided to turn him around by switching the handedness of the relief pitcher


So, out of your 3 questions, I only see one that lacks a potentially logical explanation, so I think there may be some piling onto the AI here for being completely illogical when there is some reasonable logic going on under the hood. I play in the AL, so this may explain why I'm not seeing such wacky reliever usage - the AI may be over-using double-switches on top of any other calculations being made, so the AI is going Full Larussa on us.
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Old 09-13-2016, 08:19 PM   #105
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Oh, I'm sure there's logic involved.

I was using generic L/R splits. So, I doubt the AI was responding to "reverse" splits. What do you think?
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I think there may be some piling onto the AI here for being completely illogical when there is some reasonable logic going on under the hood. I play in the AL, so this may explain why I'm not seeing such wacky reliever usage - the AI may be over-using double-switches on top of any other calculations being made, so the AI is going Full Larussa on us.
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Oh, I'm sure there's logic involved.

I was using generic L/R splits. So, I doubt the AI was responding to "reverse" splits. What do you think?
I think that I'm back to having nothing on Question #2.

I'm feeling pretty ok on #1 and #3 unless the AI made Sandoval hit from his stronger side, per in-game ratings from the generic splits.
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Hmm. Does the AI really take that into consideration (assuming the difference is relatively small)? I don't know. I kind of doubt it, but I'll try to pay more attention.
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I haven't tried it, but does changing the reliever usage setting to something lower improve the bullpen over-management?

Tough under current MLB rules, it seems that the bullpen over-management doesn't make too much of a difference. Without any further patches and changes to the AI, I would suggest at least deactivating roster size changes on the league evolution option.

A reduced 6-man bullpen (thanks to a reduced 24-man roster from evolution) can kill your bullpen. I'm playing GM-only with a controlling manager. The first year after the rule change to a 24-man roster, I used the regular 7-man bullpen and I dominated 1-run games as the AI teams (with 6-men) had tired pitchers in late innings, which negated their extra pinch-hitter advantage. However, in year 2 I switched to the 6-man bullpen and my bullpen is dying every week, and do to a domino effect, my starters are leaving them in too long.
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I haven't tried it, but does changing the reliever usage setting to something lower improve the bullpen over-management?

Tough under current MLB rules, it seems that the bullpen over-management doesn't make too much of a difference. Without any further patches and changes to the AI, I would suggest at least deactivating roster size changes on the league evolution option.

A reduced 6-man bullpen (thanks to a reduced 24-man roster from evolution) can kill your bullpen. I'm playing GM-only with a controlling manager. The first year after the rule change to a 24-man roster, I used the regular 7-man bullpen and I dominated 1-run games as the AI teams (with 6-men) had tired pitchers in late innings, which negated their extra pinch-hitter advantage. However, in year 2 I switched to the 6-man bullpen and my bullpen is dying every week, and do to a domino effect, my starters are leaving them in too long.

The key to this scenario, in my opinion, is to have Brock Holt-style utility players who can cover at least 2 IF and 2 OF positions on the bench, freeing up a roster spot for that extra reliever.


I wouldn't expect the AI to be clever enough to do this, but it would be key to a human player's success in that reduced roster size environment.
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