Piggybacking

LGM · 03-29-2013, 06:44 PM

I was wondering if it can be done in OOTP. I know almost all teams use it at short-season and a bunch more at the A-ball levels. The Astros announced they are doing it thru out the minors this year. If it can not be done, and its not to hard to code, maybe it could be added?

Tyler87898 · 03-29-2013, 07:10 PM

What do you mean by piggybacking?

NYY #23 · 03-29-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler87898

What do you mean by piggybacking?

I think he's referring to this - Ultimate Astros » Luhnow says rebuilding Astros to use tandem starting pitching at all minor-league levels in 2013

olivertheorem · 03-29-2013, 07:56 PM

Two pitchers split work in a game, one starting and the other taking over roughly halfway through. Basically gets you the equivalent of two short starts, helpful if you have several potential starters on your hands and you want to get them all multiple innings of work per appearance.

LGM · 03-29-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NYY #23

I think he's referring to this - Ultimate Astros » Luhnow says rebuilding Astros to use tandem starting pitching at all minor-league levels in 2013

That's the article I read. I think with the pitching model from last year and the pitchers learning new pitches midseason this year, it would a realism to have 8 guys get consistent work, especially at the lower levels.

rudel.dietrich · 03-29-2013, 10:46 PM

This has been used at the NCAA level by some teams for quite some time.

Postman · 03-29-2013, 11:08 PM

The Rox did it last year, actually. After 70 pitches the starter was pulled, no matter the game situation.

They lost 98 games, their worst season ever.

olivertheorem · 03-29-2013, 11:34 PM

That wasn't piggybacking. That was an attempt to use a 4-man rotation by limiting the 4 starters' workload, which is different. The Rockies still used their bullpen normally otherwise.

Pacoheadley · 03-30-2013, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Postman

The Rox did it last year, actually. After 70 pitches the starter was pulled, no matter the game situation.

They lost 98 games, their worst season ever.

They didn't lose because of that, they lost because their pitching staff was historically bad anyway. They didn't even start their 4-man thing until decently late in the season.

Postman · 03-30-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

That wasn't piggybacking. That was an attempt to use a 4-man rotation by limiting the 4 starters' workload, which is different. The Rockies still used their bullpen normally otherwise.

Not according to the Rockies:

Colorado Rockies plan to use "piggyback" four-man rotation in 2013 - The Denver Post

And then at the end of the season...

Rockies to go with five-man rotation in 2013, but "piggybacks" remain - The Denver Post

I follow the team, Dude. I know what management is saying at least.

Understanding what management is doing is another matter.

And I do believe that strategy was a big reason why the team lost so many games. It's not as if I'm in the minority here in Denver either.

O'Dowd needed to find another starter somewhere and even at the price of giving up some of that army of middle relievers he's built up in the minors.

How O'Dowd keeps his job I have no idea. Guivette needs to go, too.

Postman · 03-30-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacoheadley

They didn't lose because of that, they lost because their pitching staff was historically bad anyway. They didn't even start their 4-man thing until decently late in the season.

They started it in June:

Rockies still adjusting to four-man rotation | Rockies.com: News

LGM · 03-31-2013, 08:35 AM

What the Rockies did is kind of irrelevant. Every team does this at their lower levels, and with the new pitching model, it would not only add realism but depth to player development for pitchers.

Postman · 04-01-2013, 02:18 PM

You can set a pitch count on the pitcher strategy screen if you're willing to put up with the hassle.

LGM · 04-01-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Postman

You can set a pitch count on the pitcher strategy screen if you're willing to put up with the hassle.

Yea but it doesn't get a specific pitcher to follow. A feature like this doesn't need to be perfect. If we could just have a certain pitcher follow a specific starter.

tds787 · 04-03-2013, 11:50 AM

Can't this be done in team strategy? Force resting the guys you don't want pitching and set a pitch count for the guys you do want pitching. There'd have to be some wiggle room though if your team gets blown out.

03-29-2013, 06:44 PM	#1
LGM Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11	Piggybacking I was wondering if it can be done in OOTP. I know almost all teams use it at short-season and a bunch more at the A-ball levels. The Astros announced they are doing it thru out the minors this year. If it can not be done, and its not to hard to code, maybe it could be added?

04-03-2013, 11:50 AM	#15
tds787 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2012 Location: East Valley, Arizona Posts: 173	Piggybacking Can't this be done in team strategy? Force resting the guys you don't want pitching and set a pitch count for the guys you do want pitching. There'd have to be some wiggle room though if your team gets blown out. __________________ Cheers

03-29-2013, 07:10 PM	#2
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 791	What do you mean by piggybacking?

03-29-2013, 07:56 PM	#4
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	Two pitchers split work in a game, one starting and the other taking over roughly halfway through. Basically gets you the equivalent of two short starts, helpful if you have several potential starters on your hands and you want to get them all multiple innings of work per appearance.

03-29-2013, 10:46 PM	#6
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	This has been used at the NCAA level by some teams for quite some time.

03-29-2013, 11:08 PM	#7
Postman Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Evergreen, CO Posts: 322	The Rox did it last year, actually. After 70 pitches the starter was pulled, no matter the game situation. They lost 98 games, their worst season ever.

03-29-2013, 11:34 PM	#8
olivertheorem All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,919	That wasn't piggybacking. That was an attempt to use a 4-man rotation by limiting the 4 starters' workload, which is different. The Rockies still used their bullpen normally otherwise.

03-31-2013, 08:35 AM	#12
LGM Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11	What the Rockies did is kind of irrelevant. Every team does this at their lower levels, and with the new pitching model, it would not only add realism but depth to player development for pitchers.

04-01-2013, 02:18 PM	#13
Postman Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Evergreen, CO Posts: 322	You can set a pitch count on the pitcher strategy screen if you're willing to put up with the hassle.