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11-08-2019, 09:11 PM | #21 | |
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11-08-2019, 09:18 PM | #22 |
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In 19 and 16 as well (far right column in both cases)...
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11-08-2019, 09:27 PM | #23 |
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Admittedly, this is the first time I've looked at his BSR. It sees to be all over the place. I'm not sure what happened in 03 but overall, he seems pretty average, if not slightly below. No bomb in 1910 like with the fielding. For what it's worth, his rating for Baserunning is 83/100.
But yeah, he's still trotting out at 2B and his defense is only getting worse. Ironically, the manager slightly favors defense over offense according to his ratings, lol. I could be far off, but I feel like ZR is a harder stat for the AI to comprehend than say, fielding percentage or errors. But who am I to say.
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11-08-2019, 09:34 PM | #24 |
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UBR is new in OOTPXX, but BsR has been around for quite a while. Step by step guide for BsR in OOTP19 coming up...
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11-08-2019, 09:52 PM | #25 |
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I failed to mention that I'm doing this on the Player Search & Shortlist page. Also, please excuse the horrible "Paint" skills in the third picture pointing out where to select BsR. Once you've customized your view the "Save View..." will appear between "Customize..." and "Default" in the View menu. Save it under a new name, and there you go...
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11-08-2019, 10:09 PM | #27 | |
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Weird that OOTP had BsR before UZR since UZR is a component of BsR. |
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11-08-2019, 10:18 PM | #28 | |
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11-08-2019, 10:20 PM | #29 | |
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EDIT: I still don't see UZR in game. I believe ZR represents UZR though.
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11-08-2019, 10:25 PM | #30 |
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Or are you talking about the Statcastish stuff (with the Routine, Likely, Even, Unlikely, Remote percentages)?
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11-08-2019, 10:26 PM | #31 |
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Psst! NB: It's perfectly fine to look at whatever stats you want to look at. This is merely a joke, a funny, a ha-ha. Pay no attention to the idiot with the handle from a 30+ year old Carl Weathers movie. We now return you to your regularly scheduled postings.
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I'm a big stat dude. Just slightly embarrassed I mixed up UBR and UZR. And I wanted to make that UBR/Uber joke, which was a good joke, BTW. |
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11-08-2019, 11:57 PM | #34 |
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That was a good joke actually. So good it whooshed over my head. Is UBR how Uber would be listed on the stock market (if indeed it is)?
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11-09-2019, 12:04 AM | #35 |
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I guess UBR and BsR are also on the Expanded Stats tab of each player's individual batting stats tab in OOTPXX as well, so they're kind of everywhere. They're not there in OOTP19 however.
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11-09-2019, 01:49 AM | #36 |
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To give you guys an update - as if the game has been listening to our conversations - Lajoie started the season (1911) as the starting 2B but got benched about game 50.
Lajole has started in 49/66 games in this season. His OPS+ is down to 122, so his offense is starting to fade too, which probably made the decision a little easier for the manager. Lajoie's WAR is even worse now, at -1.2. His ZR is at -20.1. He's still the depth choice at 2B and the first pinch hitter off the bench. The game doesn't register 1B as a plausible choice for him. He's very unhappy now because he expects to be in the middle of the lineup, so we'll see if the team ends up offloading him. I'd like to hope that the adventure of the best worst player in my league right now isn't over!
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11-09-2019, 09:13 AM | #37 |
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I don't think the AI is smart enough to move players down the defensive spectrum once their fielding declines. Players only seem to learn new positions if there's a lack of other players at that position, as is often the case in the minors. I'm talking about the development engine of course, if it's re-calc only you're stuck with what you've got.
Also, to actionjackson: I've seen firsthand the AI letting a Gold Glove caliber Mark Belanger ride the bench during the 70s in my historical dynasty. So you're right. |
11-09-2019, 11:45 AM | #38 |
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Weirdly, just before I saw this thread, I noticed that something similar had happened to Nap Lajoie in my alt-historical universe. I play with recalc off, so this is all development engine.
You can see that his defense rapidly deteriorated, going from being positive at 2B in 1906, to -15 as a 2B/SS in 1908, and then off a cliff in 1911 and 1912, before moving to Minnesota and playing purely as a pinch-hitter. You can see that he's still a really good hitter in 1912, with an OPS+ of 136, and leading the league in doubles, but apparently he was such a liability at second base (-54!!) that he was replacement-level. I think that in real life, these guys almost always end up moving to first base or a corner outfield (or DH) rather than sticking at their original position, but that doesn't seem to be how OOTP's positional development scheme works. Lajoie's only career game at 1B in the sim came as a rookie. I don't get how he can be able to lead the league in doubles while apparently being a statue in the field. (CC and WL are major leagues of roughly equal quality.) |
11-09-2019, 12:11 PM | #39 |
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I try to avoid the development engine but I wonder if it hits key defensive positions sooner and harder than other positions?
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11-09-2019, 06:58 PM | #40 |
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Thanks Jamee, that's super interesting. It's funny to see how our Nap's were slightly different but, big picture, the same thing happened. That's wild that yours hit .362 in 1912 and then never started a game again in his career.
And Reed, I'm not sure but I wouldn't surprised. I used to play a fictional league and had a CF that turned like 31 or 32 and his defensive rating got absolutely tanked. I think I ended up trading him but he still kept playing because, as it's been said, the AI tends to excuse awful defense if a guy can hit, and that guy could hit pretty well.
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