Adjust/Weaken By AB and IP: What do you guys use?

[DawnBTVS]

It's somewhat unclear initially but the Online Manual says this references the "selected season" e.g. start up in 1969 or 1920 or such.

What do you guys typically set this at? Do you alter it precisely for the starting year or go with a general guideline?

I tend to start my seasons in 1871 going through and thus I set my ABs pretty low (usually 70/30), same for the IP (12/6 taking note of the 4x Value related to the SP).

Most players topped out around 150-165 AB so going Default would, potentially neuter most of them, right? Same for the secondary pitchers who'd throw 10-20 IP for the season.

Does this impact future Imported Historical Players for the season they are being imported for (e.g. could it hamstring Negro League players coming in who may've had 200-220 AB?) or is it strictly the creation season only?

[Reed]

You can only set it when you create your league and the league then uses that setting for each year. I play historical 1901-2000 and the default setting is fine for me. If I was going to change it, I would bump up the settings some to make sure players with limited at bats and innings pitched don’t end up leading my league.

[thehef]

I don't typically start historical games prior to 1901, and I usually use settings of 100-35-30-10. Not exactly sure why I go with those specific numbers, other than I tend towards lower numbers because I don't want OOTP weakening/normalizing guys unless they are bit players. I don't find adverse affects from this, although once in awhile you'll get an unexpected standout performer.

Markus added clarity on this subject for me a year ago when he wrote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

When a player is below the "adjust" limit, his ratings will be adjusted towards the league average, the less playing time he had the more the ratings get adjusted. If a player is below the "weaken" limit, the ratings will also be adjusted, but not towards league average but rather towards replacement level, so that these players end up with rather low ratings.

That's essentially what the manual attempts to convey, but for whatever reason the above seems to cut to chase and makes it clearer, for me anyway

It's also been suggested by experienced players that 1) the batting settings may not apply to pitchers, so - for example - Don Drysdale should be rated to hit pretty well in several of his seasons... (altho I would assume that a pitcher who went 2-4 with a homer and a double would be adjusted downward to a degree), and 2) the ratings can also be bumped "up" (to league avg or replacement level) when necessary.

[sprague]

Spritze suggested to me on a bug report thread to try
100 30 30 10

to try and get negro league players to come into the game better rated. I haven't called up a year to test out the theory yet.

[DawnBTVS]

Originally Posted by sprague

Spritze suggested to me on a bug report thread to try
100 30 30 10

to try and get negro league players to come into the game better rated. I haven't called up a year to test out the theory yet.

Tried out a 1915 Setup with 'Base Potential on Career Totals' and your 100/30/30/10 setup. Hoping this can help balance the short IP by keeping guys as Starters from the Negro Leagues as well.

Buzz Arlett in 1917 (Minor League HR Star): 67 Contact, 74 Gap Power, 63 HR Power

Below are in Negro Leagues
SP Bill Force 20 yo in 1920 = 36/58/57 with 100 Stamina
SP Dick Redding 31 yo in 1920 = 30/47/42 with 100 Stamina
SP Dave Brown 23 yo in 1920 = 42/82/49 with 100 Stamina
C Heavy Johnson 21 yo in 1920 = 85 Contact, 92 Gap, and 54 Power
CF Oscar Charleston 23 yo in 1920 = 72 Contact, 74 Gap, 50 Power
CF Turkey Stearnes 21 yo in 1920 = 55 Contact, 79 Gap, 56 Power
CF Cristobal Torriente 26 yo in 1920 = 63 Contact, 77 Gap, 34 Power

Disabled the 'Color Barrier' for the 1921 Season. A ton of NNL players instantly signed to MLB franchises.

1921 Draft
- Martin Dihigo = 48 Contact, 60 Gap, 61 Power, 51 Eye, 66 Avoid K

1922 Draft
- Mule Suttles = 63 Contact, 73 Gap, 54 Power, 38 Eye, 83 Avoid K

Of note re: the above 2: Seamheads has Suttles with 103 HR in 2,233 AB and a .547 SLG while Dihigo has 54 HR in 1,385 AB (pro-rated to 87 in 2,233 AB) with a .516 SLG

[actionjackson]

I use 200 50 40 10. I started using them forever ago when I noticed that most players Neutralized Stats were adjusted up to a minimum of 200 AB and 40 IP, and since I play with Neutralized Stats, that was what I went with.

[DawnBTVS]

Will update further after work. Interesting to see mostly the same with a noticeable exception for Turkey Stearnes, Dave Brown, and slight change to Torriente thus far.

100/30/30/10 Settings vs. 115/25/14/6 Settings
SP Bill Force 20 yo in 1920 = 36/58/57 with 100 Stamina
- Bill Force with new = 36/57/57 with 100 Stamina
SP Dick Redding 31 yo in 1920 = 30/47/42 with 100 Stamina
- Dick Redding with new = 30/48/39 with 100 Stamina
SP Dave Brown 23 yo in 1920 = 42/82/49 with 100 Stamina
- Dave Brown with new = 41/78/49 with 100 Stamina
C Heavy Johnson 21 yo in 1920 = 85 Contact, 92 Gap, and 54 Power
- Heavy Johnson with new = 85/92/54/39/73
CF Oscar Charleston 23 yo in 1920 = 72 Contact, 74 Gap, 50 Power
- Oscar Charleston with new = 63/70/51/56/51
CF Turkey Stearnes 21 yo in 1920 = 55 Contact, 79 Gap, 56 Power
- Turkey Stearnes with new = 69/76/63/41/69 *MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT*
CF Cristobal Torriente 26 yo in 1920 = 63 Contact, 77 Gap, 34 Power
- Cristobal Torriente with new = 69/81/37/55/58 *SOLID IMPROVEMENT*
Martin Dihigo = 48 Contact, 60 Gap, 61 Power, 51 Eye, 66 Avoid K
- Martin Dihigo with new = 48/60/61/51/66
Mule Suttles = 63 Contact, 73 Gap, 54 Power, 38 Eye, 83 Avoid K
- Mule Suttles with new = 63/73/54/38/83

C Biz Mackey = 59/62/20/38/78 and 50/71/50 Pitching with 13 Stamina
SP Bullet Joe Rogan = 31/71/43 with 100 Stamina and 70/73/41/45/71 Hitting
1B Jud Wilson = 58/59/35/51/63
CF Cool Papa Bell = 52/62/28/43/73 and 31/59/49 Pitching with 100 Stamina. Has 59 Speed, 80 Stealing, and 62 Baserunning