Would you do this trade, and is it fair?

PSUColonel · 10-29-2013, 07:37 PM

I changed my settings to trade difficulty=normal, and heavily favor prospects. So here it goes: (this trade is accepted BTW,,,please state if you think I should up the difficulty to hard as a result)

I give Rollins and Adams in exchange for Crisp.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 10-29-2013, 07:49 PM

Based purely on the stats I see, looks like you get the better end of the deal. Getting rid of Adams looks like addition by subtraction. Not one-sided, though, if Rollins still has a few good years left. One trade like that is not enough to up the difficulty, IMO. Several, however...

Basebrah · 10-29-2013, 07:57 PM

You mean Adams?

Looks good to me. Same age and salary.
Does LA need a SS?

PSUColonel · 10-29-2013, 07:58 PM

yes they do...but they are in win now mode also....and Crisp has been far more productive than either Adams or Rollins.

Basebrah · 10-29-2013, 08:06 PM

If they can replace Crisp with a decent OF it's a good deal. Rollins is still a good SS and will increase tickets and Adams is ok. I say it's a good deal for both sides.

PSUColonel · 10-29-2013, 08:15 PM

They can..Puig

Fyrestorm3 · 10-29-2013, 08:15 PM

Looks to me like LA is banking on Adams returning to form next year, and trying to bolster their IF. If I was the GM of LA and had a suitable replacement OF for Crisp available on the bench, I would make this deal in a heartbeat. As has been said, it seems pretty good for both sides.

TGH-Adfabre · 10-29-2013, 09:01 PM

It looks like Adams problems may not be all him.
.389 BABIP, who is playing behind this guy. or did he get a visit from The Cooler.
Move aging Coco for a quality? SS and a MR whose luck and team have wrecked his career line?
Depending on contract length I would do this as the Dodgers. Especially if SS is an organizational weakness and/or no quality FA in next class and/or are extremely expensive.

The Game · 10-29-2013, 09:45 PM

Who else do you have to play SS? I dont have Adams in my league in 2016. Rollins and Crisp are both retired, so are you doing this long term or short term?

PSUColonel · 10-29-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Game

Who else do you have to play SS? I dont have Adams in my league in 2016. Rollins and Crisp are both retired, so are you doing this long term or short term?

Short term. I fools around a little more though and was able to get them to accept Adams and Kendrick for Crisp. I did have Galvis to play ss but it let got hurt for a couple if weeks, so I need him now at 2b. Kendrick was my number 5 starter, but I have a very deep pitching rotation.

tejdog1 · 10-30-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

Based purely on the stats I see, looks like you get the better end of the deal. Getting rid of Adams looks like addition by subtraction. Not one-sided, though, if Rollins still has a few good years left. One trade like that is not enough to up the difficulty, IMO. Several, however...

With all due respect, look closer.

12/59 BB/K in 46 innings with a .390 BABIP, and good ratings as well. His ERA is in the 5s, bet you anything his FIP is in the mid 3s. This is someone I'd be targetting as a super buy low candidate if I were a team in need of a reliever.

TGH-Adfabre · 10-31-2013, 09:57 AM

Agreed

ThatSeventiesGuy · 10-31-2013, 12:38 PM

Meh, his ERA, WHIP, and W-L all suck on toast. K/BB is good, granted, but the rest is bad enough for me to stay away, and there are usually better relievers than that in the minors, in my experience...of course, I'm not as into the Moneyball/SABR stuff as some people are.

Plus, he mentioned that his pitching was pretty deep, so Adams looks expendable to me in that case.

BeancheBlanco · 10-31-2013, 02:47 PM

Depends on how big their contracts are. Crisp has been vastly outperforming Rollins and Adams (2.4 WAR to a combined 1.0 WAR). Rollins and Adams are also being paid pretty high salaries so you are getting rid of aging, overpaid veterans. I like your side better but I've seen worse deals in OOTP. Much, much worse.

Fyrestorm3 · 10-31-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

Meh, his ERA, WHIP, and W-L all suck on toast. K/BB is good, granted, but the rest is bad enough for me to stay away, and there are usually better relievers than that in the minors, in my experience...of course, I'm not as into the Moneyball/SABR stuff as some people are.

Plus, he mentioned that his pitching was pretty deep, so Adams looks expendable to me in that case.

ERA could be better, but it isn't the greatest stat for determining the worth of a pitcher. His WHIP can be explained away by that atrocious BABIP, which means he's gotten incredibly unlucky this year (though a 1.5 WHIP isn't even bad, just mediocre). W-L means absolutely nothing.

I can see Adams bouncing right back next year, no problem. Either way, seems like a good deal for both sides.

endgame · 10-31-2013, 04:26 PM

Yep. Has me thinking I may return to Normal for the next iteration of my league. Hard just becomes way too hard, IMHO, while the AI continues to do whatever it likes.

PSUColonel · 11-01-2013, 12:04 PM

Not ready to pull the trigger on this one yet, but if things keep getting worse, I may by the trading deadline in a few weeks. What do you think of this? Analyze:

PSUColonel · 11-01-2013, 12:06 PM

As I said before I did acquire Crisp from this same team for Kendrick and Adams.

10-29-2013, 07:37 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,989 Blog Entries: 37	Would you do this trade, and is it fair? I changed my settings to trade difficulty=normal, and heavily favor prospects. So here it goes: (this trade is accepted BTW,,,please state if you think I should up the difficulty to hard as a result) I give Rollins and Adams in exchange for Crisp. Attached Images Last edited by PSUColonel; 10-29-2013 at 07:59 PM.

10-29-2013, 07:49 PM	#2
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,421	Based purely on the stats I see, looks like you get the better end of the deal. Getting rid of Adams looks like addition by subtraction. Not one-sided, though, if Rollins still has a few good years left. One trade like that is not enough to up the difficulty, IMO. Several, however... __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

10-29-2013, 07:57 PM	#3
Basebrah Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 124	You mean Adams? Looks good to me. Same age and salary. Does LA need a SS? __________________ "I don't always play video games, but when I do, I prefer OOTP."

10-29-2013, 08:06 PM	#5
Basebrah Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 124	If they can replace Crisp with a decent OF it's a good deal. Rollins is still a good SS and will increase tickets and Adams is ok. I say it's a good deal for both sides. __________________ "I don't always play video games, but when I do, I prefer OOTP."

10-29-2013, 09:01 PM	#8
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,599	It looks like Adams problems may not be all him. .389 BABIP, who is playing behind this guy. or did he get a visit from The Cooler. Move aging Coco for a quality? SS and a MR whose luck and team have wrecked his career line? Depending on contract length I would do this as the Dodgers. Especially if SS is an organizational weakness and/or no quality FA in next class and/or are extremely expensive. __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

10-29-2013, 07:58 PM	#4
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,989 Blog Entries: 37	yes they do...but they are in win now mode also....and Crisp has been far more productive than either Adams or Rollins.

10-29-2013, 08:15 PM	#6
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,989 Blog Entries: 37	They can..Puig

10-29-2013, 08:15 PM	#7
Fyrestorm3 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Massachusetts Posts: 2,928	Looks to me like LA is banking on Adams returning to form next year, and trying to bolster their IF. If I was the GM of LA and had a suitable replacement OF for Crisp available on the bench, I would make this deal in a heartbeat. As has been said, it seems pretty good for both sides.

10-29-2013, 09:45 PM	#9
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,807	Who else do you have to play SS? I dont have Adams in my league in 2016. Rollins and Crisp are both retired, so are you doing this long term or short term? __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

10-31-2013, 09:57 AM	#12
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,599	Agreed __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

10-31-2013, 12:38 PM	#13
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,421	Meh, his ERA, WHIP, and W-L all suck on toast. K/BB is good, granted, but the rest is bad enough for me to stay away, and there are usually better relievers than that in the minors, in my experience...of course, I'm not as into the Moneyball/SABR stuff as some people are. Plus, he mentioned that his pitching was pretty deep, so Adams looks expendable to me in that case. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1 Last edited by ThatSeventiesGuy; 10-31-2013 at 12:42 PM.

10-31-2013, 02:47 PM	#14
BeancheBlanco Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 146	Depends on how big their contracts are. Crisp has been vastly outperforming Rollins and Adams (2.4 WAR to a combined 1.0 WAR). Rollins and Adams are also being paid pretty high salaries so you are getting rid of aging, overpaid veterans. I like your side better but I've seen worse deals in OOTP. Much, much worse.

10-31-2013, 04:26 PM	#16
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,843	Yep. Has me thinking I may return to Normal for the next iteration of my league. Hard just becomes way too hard, IMHO, while the AI continues to do whatever it likes. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

11-01-2013, 12:04 PM	#17
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,989 Blog Entries: 37	Not ready to pull the trigger on this one yet, but if things keep getting worse, I may by the trading deadline in a few weeks. What do you think of this? Analyze: Attached Images

11-01-2013, 12:06 PM	#18
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,989 Blog Entries: 37	As I said before I did acquire Crisp from this same team for Kendrick and Adams.