Rating Improvements - Page 2

fsclb66 · 11-15-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

Well, I can think of some that were pretty horrible fielders overall. Not exactly sure how much range had to do with it.

Guys like Lonnie Smith, Vince Coleman, maybe Willie Wilson to a lesser extent. Blanking on more modern examples but I'm sure there are a few.

Matt kemp comes to mind as a prime example for this

Lukas Berger · 11-15-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fsclb66

Matt kemp comes to mind as a prime example for this

Yeah, very good example.

RchW · 11-15-2013, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I guess you are right...but like you said, I do think it should have some correlation. For instance, can you think of an example of a very fast player with horrible range?

Rajai Davis comes to mind. Juan Pierre, Carl Crawford.

injury log · 11-15-2013, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I guess you are right...but like you said, I do think it should have some correlation.

Speed already has some correlation with Range when players are created in OOTP, though it's a loose correlation and there are exceptions. And changes to those ratings are tied to changes in weight, so they will normally move in the same direction.

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

For instance, can you think of an example of a very fast player with horrible range?

Alex Sanchez stole 52 bases one year and was an absolutely terrible defensive outfielder - way below average every season he played in every defensive metric, including Range Runs.

injury log · 11-15-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Rajai Davis comes to mind. Juan Pierre, Carl Crawford.

In the 2000s, Carl Crawford had the third highest UZR total in all of baseball at any position, behind only Adrian Beltre and Andruw Jones, and ahead of Scott Rolen, Ichiro, Chase Utley, and, well, everyone else. His Range Run total is second highest for the decade, behind only Beltre (and just ahead of Andruw Jones). Crawford's been one of the best defenders in baseball in our generation, so I don't think he belongs in this discussion.

snepp · 11-15-2013, 11:18 PM

Roger Cedeno, incredibly fast, putrid range.

PSUColonel · 11-15-2013, 11:51 PM

good examples guys...an there SHOULD be exceptions in every case. I am just glad there is in fact some correlation. Just out of curiosity...how do you guys get info like that about OOTP? Do you have a pipeline to Markus?

Lukas Berger · 11-15-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by snepp

Roger Cedeno, incredibly fast, putrid range.

Absolutely! Maybe the best example there is. As a Mets fan I should never have forgotten that

injury log · 11-16-2013, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

good examples guys...an there SHOULD be exceptions in every case. I am just glad there is in fact some correlation. Just out of curiosity...how do you guys get info like that about OOTP? Do you have a pipeline to Markus?

Many of us are on the beta team, so yes, I guess we do.

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snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,366	Roger Cedeno, incredibly fast, putrid range.

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PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,988 Blog Entries: 37	good examples guys...an there SHOULD be exceptions in every case. I am just glad there is in fact some correlation. Just out of curiosity...how do you guys get info like that about OOTP? Do you have a pipeline to Markus?