Am I ripping off the AI?

PSUColonel · 07-19-2013, 03:12 PM

What do you think?

Howard is making 20-25 mil a year for four more years.

Mayberry is expected to be an average offensive contributor with a little pop

Quinn is the top prospect in the system 4 stars. a speedster with a great glove and adequate offense.

Herandez isn't a great prospect, but has some defensive ability

Meanwhile:

Pence is a very good right fielder making 14 mil a year, but will possible receive arbitration again after the season.

Brandon Belt is a very good young (24 yrs old) 1B with a little room to improve...great glove.

I won't tell you what trading difficulty I am using...I'll let you guess.

So..

1. Am I ripping the AI off?
2. What difficulty?

mattb_222 · 07-19-2013, 03:45 PM

Is Howard still a viable player in your world? I'm not sure of his age either, which would make a difference. Are the Giants in a pennant race?

If Howard is still an asset then I don't think you are ripping off the AI, although it's a strange combination of players for the Giants to theoretically want under any circumstance, taking a bad contract of an aging veteran along with 3 young prospects. If I were the Giants I wouldn't do it, but it's hard to say without knowing their situation.

(FWIW, I love questions like this on these forums...)

PSUColonel · 07-19-2013, 03:56 PM

It's the very start of the 2013 campaign, so it's hard to say. Howard is 33

PSUColonel · 07-19-2013, 03:57 PM

all of the ages are listed in the screen shot

mattb_222 · 07-19-2013, 04:08 PM

Oh yeah, missed that, sorry.

Did Howard have a good year the year before?

Like I say, if Howard is still an asset then I don't think it's a rip-off. It's not a trade I'd likely make controlling the Giants, but I could see a ML GM doing something similar.

Plus, like you say, you're giving up your best prospect and a few other decent ones. Maybe the Giants don't think Pence is worth his arb. # and maybe they don't think Belt is as good as you do. The more I think about it, the more I think it's fair.

mattb_222 · 07-19-2013, 04:09 PM

Mayberry is 29?!?!

Oh, and I'd guess hard/favor prospects

Orcin · 07-19-2013, 04:11 PM

I think it is a fair trade for both clubs. The winner really depends upon the years that Howard and Pence have.

VanillaGorilla · 07-19-2013, 04:22 PM

Just a thought based on my observation of my v 14 experience thus far.

With the new fielding aging algorithm for v 14, I see middle infielders being a more scarce commodity as their life expectancy at these positions is reduced. I base this on my v14 league I am using for my HOF algorithm work. I have had a LOT of 3B men get into the HOF (right now, the same number as 1B men) but very few 2B and SS.

I assign career position in the following manner:

1) Player has fielding record for at least half of his ML appearances, otherwise considered career DH.

2) If Player made the majority of his fielding appearances in the IF, he is assigned the IF position that he made the most appearances playing as his career position.

3) If player made the majority of his fielding appearances in the OF, he is assigned the OF position that he made the most appearances playing as his career position.

I am playing my 52nd season in this v14 league and the observation comes from this league, and this league only. This method for determining career position is the same one I used in two run throughs of the HOF model in v 13. When I say that there are "a lot" of 3B and "few" 2B/SS, it is a comparison of the positional breakdowns of my current HOF vs the positional breakdown of the previous two.

If middle IFers are now more scarce, and have a shorter lifespan playing those positions before they are moved to a corner position, then it seems that the fact that SF is getting 2 solid MI prospects is a reasonable consideration for assuming Howard's long term deal, in their eyes.

mpejkrm · 07-19-2013, 06:27 PM

Yes. No team would ever take on Howard's contract. He can't field and he is in decline.

RchW · 07-19-2013, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpejkrm

Yes. No team would ever take on Howard's contract. He can't field and he is in decline.

Game or RL?

RchW · 07-19-2013, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

It's the very start of the 2013 campaign, so it's hard to say. Howard is 33

Can you show us the SF needs. It's cut off in the screen shot.

PSUColonel · 07-19-2013, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

Can you show us the SF needs. It's cut off in the screen shot.

Here ya go:

PSUColonel · 07-21-2013, 12:03 AM

This is actually using hard/neutral

Kronos · 07-21-2013, 07:27 AM

This seems like a win/win for both sides.

07-19-2013, 03:12 PM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,987 Blog Entries: 37	Am I ripping off the AI? What do you think? Howard is making 20-25 mil a year for four more years. Mayberry is expected to be an average offensive contributor with a little pop Quinn is the top prospect in the system 4 stars. a speedster with a great glove and adequate offense. Herandez isn't a great prospect, but has some defensive ability Meanwhile: Pence is a very good right fielder making 14 mil a year, but will possible receive arbitration again after the season. Brandon Belt is a very good young (24 yrs old) 1B with a little room to improve...great glove. I won't tell you what trading difficulty I am using...I'll let you guess. So.. 1. Am I ripping the AI off? 2. What difficulty? Attached Images

07-19-2013, 03:45 PM	#2
mattb_222 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 62	Is Howard still a viable player in your world? I'm not sure of his age either, which would make a difference. Are the Giants in a pennant race? If Howard is still an asset then I don't think you are ripping off the AI, although it's a strange combination of players for the Giants to theoretically want under any circumstance, taking a bad contract of an aging veteran along with 3 young prospects. If I were the Giants I wouldn't do it, but it's hard to say without knowing their situation. (FWIW, I love questions like this on these forums...) __________________ Someday I want to defend a penguin in court, just so I can say, "Your honor, clearly my defendant isn't a flight risk."

07-19-2013, 04:08 PM	#5
mattb_222 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 62	Oh yeah, missed that, sorry. Did Howard have a good year the year before? Like I say, if Howard is still an asset then I don't think it's a rip-off. It's not a trade I'd likely make controlling the Giants, but I could see a ML GM doing something similar. Plus, like you say, you're giving up your best prospect and a few other decent ones. Maybe the Giants don't think Pence is worth his arb. # and maybe they don't think Belt is as good as you do. The more I think about it, the more I think it's fair. __________________ Someday I want to defend a penguin in court, just so I can say, "Your honor, clearly my defendant isn't a flight risk."

07-19-2013, 04:09 PM	#6
mattb_222 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 62	Mayberry is 29?!?! Oh, and I'd guess hard/favor prospects __________________ Someday I want to defend a penguin in court, just so I can say, "Your honor, clearly my defendant isn't a flight risk." Last edited by mattb_222; 07-19-2013 at 04:10 PM.

07-19-2013, 04:22 PM	#8
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371 Blog Entries: 2	Just a thought based on my observation of my v 14 experience thus far. With the new fielding aging algorithm for v 14, I see middle infielders being a more scarce commodity as their life expectancy at these positions is reduced. I base this on my v14 league I am using for my HOF algorithm work. I have had a LOT of 3B men get into the HOF (right now, the same number as 1B men) but very few 2B and SS. I assign career position in the following manner: 1) Player has fielding record for at least half of his ML appearances, otherwise considered career DH. 2) If Player made the majority of his fielding appearances in the IF, he is assigned the IF position that he made the most appearances playing as his career position. 3) If player made the majority of his fielding appearances in the OF, he is assigned the OF position that he made the most appearances playing as his career position. I am playing my 52nd season in this v14 league and the observation comes from this league, and this league only. This method for determining career position is the same one I used in two run throughs of the HOF model in v 13. When I say that there are "a lot" of 3B and "few" 2B/SS, it is a comparison of the positional breakdowns of my current HOF vs the positional breakdown of the previous two. If middle IFers are now more scarce, and have a shorter lifespan playing those positions before they are moved to a corner position, then it seems that the fact that SF is getting 2 solid MI prospects is a reasonable consideration for assuming Howard's long term deal, in their eyes. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 07-19-2013 at 04:24 PM. Reason: clean up

07-19-2013, 03:56 PM	#3
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,987 Blog Entries: 37	It's the very start of the 2013 campaign, so it's hard to say. Howard is 33

07-19-2013, 03:57 PM	#4
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,987 Blog Entries: 37	all of the ages are listed in the screen shot

07-19-2013, 04:11 PM	#7
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	I think it is a fair trade for both clubs. The winner really depends upon the years that Howard and Pence have.

07-19-2013, 06:27 PM	#9
mpejkrm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 951	Yes. No team would ever take on Howard's contract. He can't field and he is in decline.

07-21-2013, 12:03 AM	#13
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,987 Blog Entries: 37	This is actually using hard/neutral

07-21-2013, 07:27 AM	#14
Kronos Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Northern Ky. Posts: 318	This seems like a win/win for both sides.