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12-12-2019, 08:06 PM | #841 |
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look at the bears trading up to draft ****ing trubisky, a one year starter with ok numbers, when deshaun watson is sitting there after lighting up alabamas defense in the playoffs two years in a row
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I'd say that we are pretty much there. I mean, I don't hear much discussion about it outside of people who want to bring it up solely for the point of bringing up the issue. I routinely hang out with mostly white fellas and a few dudes of color to watch football (and other sports), and it never comes up. That's just my experience, but that's what I know.
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And for the record: a) I'm not accusing Cobra Mgr or anyone of anything here b) I think Larry Bird - in his prime - was better than MJ. And yeah, I'm a whitey. But... c) ... as much as I liked Larry Legend, Reggie Lewis was may favorite Celtic of all time. d) I instinctively root for the white guy in basketball (or the white running back in football). For the same reason I root for the Jamaican bobsled team, Butler vs Duke a few years ago in the NCAAB finals, Douglas vs Tyson... |
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I don't think Bill Polian is a racist bigot. But I bet he is now looking back and trying to figure out what he missed that led him to saying Lamar should move to WR. And all of the NFL scouts (which was the majority) that had Trubisky as the best QB have to wonder why they didn't see Lamar, DeSean & Mahomes as better. The Bears are starting to look like the Blazers selecting Sam Bowie when Jordan, Barkley & Stockton were available. Deep down, if NFL people are honest with themselves, they may find the color of the player's skin may have colored their assessment. Maybe. Quote:
So I typed this reply because I don't want you or anyone to completely dismiss race as an issue. Just because we all believe all races are created equally doesn't mean we all automatically view them equally. Society has not reached racial nirvana yet.
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12-13-2019, 01:39 PM | #844 |
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The Bears are starting to look like the Blazers selecting Sam Bowie when Jordan, Barkley & Stockton were available.
It's easy to second guess the Bowie pick but let's not forget Steph Curry was drafted like 10th and will be an all time great and Tom Brady was selected in the 6th round. I think it is more bad scouting than racism. |
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W/Bowie, I know why they made the mistake. In '84, the prevailing wisdom was you needed an all-star center to win the title. The Blazers picked up Clyde Drexler the year before. So passing up on another shooting guard seemed reasonable at the time. But passing him up for an injury prone prospect didn't. W/Trubisky, the problem is Mitch was a near consensus, best-QB-in-the-draft prospect. I can understand not recognizing Mahomes as a pro bowler. Texas Tech was not on the national landscape. But Watson and Jackson? The QB that moved the ball up & down the field against Bama? The QB that won the Heisman? I don't blame the Bears alone. This is turning to a call universally missed. So how did the experts, media and front office, let THAT happen?
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And BTW, Trubisky's running ability is underrated. That's another area where race bias might be playing a part. If they put Mitch in an offense that allowed him to move around instead of trying to make him stay in the pocket, he might improve. But since he's white, they may be trying to turn Russell WIlson into Peyton Manning.
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Fran Tarkenton. Steve Young. John Elway. Bobby Douglass. Steve Grogan. Daniel Jones.
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Well, he had to be mobile so he could chase down all the defenders he kept throwing the ball to.
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12-14-2019, 12:53 AM | #852 |
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The point being made is that white mobile QB's are not a new phenomenon. So OC's shouldn't be caught off guard. They should look at the skills, not the skin, see what they do best, and come up with a gameplan that best meshes with their talents. Be open to the possibility that something may not fit a preconceived norm
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It's easy to slam the Bears for taking Trubisky over Mahomes and Watson now but you have to remember just about every draft prognosticator had Trubisky #1 in what was considered a boom-or-bust draft class at QB. And of course it has to be taken into consideration that just because Watson ended up booming and Mahomes ended up exploding, doesn't mean they would have in Chicago. It's one of the factors I can never understand people ignoring when they would say things like 'LUL here's every quarterback that the Browns are absolute morons for passing on'.
Having said that, I got to see a lot of the Bears early in the season and I don't think I've ever seen a more consistently inaccurate quarterback than Mitch Trubisky in those first few games. And I was a Jets fan through the entirety of the Butt Fumble Sanchez era. |
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In just looking at Twitter footage of the Chargers "home" game against the Vikings and seeing the entire stadium being purple, I believe I will reestablish the popular belief that moving the Chargers out of San Diego was classically and bordering epically DUUUUUMMMB!
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2) As a non American it goes over my head how easy it seems for teams to change locations, I'd say San Diego Chargers as they were would be akin to a team like Everton. Trust me if Everton said they were moving it would go political, not state politics but national politics |
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Chargers are 26-19 since moving to LA.
Home record - 12-10 Road record - 14-9
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You gotta "hang him". I'm listening to these Fox guys try to absolve the Patriots from guilt simply because they can't fathom Belichek being that stupid. Like was said earlier, people don't have to have a need in order to do something illegal. Greed takes over all common sense and decency. I would just love for someone to explain why this Pats videographer would film footage he doesn't need to accomplish his stated task if it wasn't for the Pats coaches. Hang him.
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I must say, sports fans as a group can be quite classy at times. It does my heart good when I see things like this happen:
It was quite a send-off at the end of the game. https://www.newsday.com/sports/colum...nts-1.39555295
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Actually, apparently it was the owners that backed Spanos into the corner. He wanted to pair with the Raiders.
If anyone has 10 minutes and the interest to read a long article about the NFL's move back into Los Angeles, this article is a fantastic read, even if it's written by Seth Wickersham: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ts-los-angeles |
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