Stats Only - Page 6

The Wolf · 12-22-2014, 04:19 PM

NYM Fan 31 · 12-22-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yeah, I've seen that. And I know how to use the settings pretty well. But I don't see the "check box" you were referring to.

PSUColonel · 12-22-2014, 04:45 PM

There isn't a check box...you set the ratings field to zero

MUFC1878 · 12-22-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NYM Fan 31

Yeah, I've seen that. And I know how to use the settings pretty well. But I don't see the "check box" you were referring to.

Under Global Settings. Check "ratings based on AI evaluation"..

NYM Fan 31 · 12-22-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MUFC1878

Under Global Settings. Check "ratings based on AI evaluation"..

Oh, I see. Thank you. With no ratings, why would I need to check that though?

That's the only thing I was confused about. So far, I'm liking it better.

MUFC1878 · 12-22-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NYM Fan 31

Oh, I see. Thank you. With no ratings, why would I need to check that though?

That's the only thing I was confused about. So far, I'm liking it better.

If it's unchecked, the player evaluation is 100% based on ratings. So even if the AI settings are set to 0 ratings, the ratings will be taken into account. If it's checked, the player evaluation will include stats, and it'll use the AI setting numbers (0/50/30/20), which will not include ratings.

At least that's the way I understand it from the description of this setting in the game.

progen · 12-22-2014, 05:24 PM

Been playing this game forever, and tried every which way to play, and every time I come back and start a new solo league, it's stats only. Star ratings, and showing the numbers for players just didn't keep me interested, but hey, that's just me.

Hey, to each his own, but my attention span is about that of my four year old grandson, so I used to get bored fast with ratings, stars, etc. But I will say that playing "stats only" has kept my attention through many seasons. And if you take your time, and track the players that you draft, your international signings, review and track those players in your feeder leagues that interest you, it is really fun to see how good your "gut" feeling was on a player. After four or five seasons, how is that player progressing. Are you ready to give up on him, and will that come back to bite you? And goes without saying that you always play fictional.

At the same time, the other "challenging" way I've found to play the game, is to continuously year in and year out, have the lowest, or nearly the lowest payroll. Be the next Billy Beane, or be like the Astros. Do you have the patience to see your "frugal" ways pay off? And most of the time, I play seasons without making any trades at all, or maybe just one, and generally for some minor leaguers at the AA or AAA level. I really want to see how far my team can go this way. Just my two cents, and again, there are so many different ways to enjoy this game. I've really enjoyed reading this post. Great thing is, after all these years, I'm still learning different ways to play, and enjoy the game.

The Wolf · 12-22-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NYM Fan 31

Yeah, I've seen that. And I know how to use the settings pretty well. But I don't see the "check box" you were referring to.

Look at the screenshot in the manual link I posted. Second check box from the left bottom.

The Wolf · 12-22-2014, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MUFC1878

If it's unchecked, the player evaluation is 100% based on ratings. So even if the AI settings are set to 0 ratings, the ratings will be taken into account. If it's checked, the player evaluation will include stats, and it'll use the AI setting numbers (0/50/30/20), which will not include ratings.

At least that's the way I understand it from the description of this setting in the game.

You are correct, and thank you.

The Wolf · 12-22-2014, 05:45 PM

Stats only removes a lot of the wonky AI behavior. If a player doesn't produce, he is not valued, no matter what his ratings might be. Likewise, as long as an older player is still producing, he will still be valued.

kmoser · 12-22-2014, 10:42 PM

I've seen people say that you should play fictional games with your feeder leagues. I don't like to play fictional, I like playing as the MLB, so do feeder leagues work well in an MLB QuickStart?

darkcloud4579 · 12-22-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kmoser

I've seen people say that you should play fictional games with your feeder leagues. I don't like to play fictional, I like playing as the MLB, so do feeder leagues work well in an MLB QuickStart?

Yes. But the feeder would be all fictional players eventually unless you have players being drafted from a real life db

kmoser · 12-22-2014, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

Yes. But the feeder would be all fictional players eventually unless you have players being drafted from a real life db

Ok that's totally fine with me. I was just wondering since a lot of people say they just do fictional games with them.

PSUColonel · 12-22-2014, 11:09 PM

My question with all of this: if a highly touted prospect is struggling, doesn't it become much easier to grab him via trade?

The Wolf · 12-23-2014, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

My question with all of this: if a highly touted prospect is struggling, doesn't it become much easier to grab him via trade?

Since your scouting should be set to below average accuracy, are you going to trust a scouting report over proven production? Feel free. Nine times out of ten you're going to get your ass handed to you doing that.

Are all of these questions really serious, or are you just trolling us?

The Wolf · 12-23-2014, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kmoser

I've seen people say that you should play fictional games with your feeder leagues. I don't like to play fictional, I like playing as the MLB, so do feeder leagues work well in an MLB QuickStart?

If you're going to do a stats only MLB league, about the only way to make it work is to set up your league and feeders and quick sim ahead about ten years or so before you actually start playing it.

PSUColonel · 12-23-2014, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Since your scouting should be set to below average accuracy, are you going to trust a scouting report over proven production? Feel free. Nine times out of ten you're going to get your ass handed to you doing that.

Are all of these questions really serious, or are you just trolling us?

No...I am just curious about different aspects of this style of play......sorry if it's so offensive to you

kmoser · 12-23-2014, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

If you're going to do a stats only MLB league, about the only way to make it work is to set up your league and feeders and quick sim ahead about ten years or so before you actually start playing it.

I trust what you are saying, but why do I have to sim that far ahead?

Izz · 12-23-2014, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kmoser

I trust what you are saying, but why do I have to sim that far ahead?

I'm no stats-only expert, but i'd say it would be to remove most of your preconceptions regarding existing players (as they'll be retired, or 10 years further along the career curve than today), and to give you enough stats to work with for the majors, minors and feeder leagues.

The Wolf · 12-23-2014, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kmoser

I trust what you are saying, but why do I have to sim that far ahead?

Because otherwise you will have foreknowledge of player ability, which defeats the entire purpose of stats only.

A way to get around that is to use a MAL league - an MLB setup with fictional players.

12-22-2014, 04:45 PM	#103
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,987 Blog Entries: 37	There isn't a check box...you set the ratings field to zero

12-22-2014, 05:24 PM	#107
progen All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,526 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Been playing this game forever, and tried every which way to play, and every time I come back and start a new solo league, it's stats only. Star ratings, and showing the numbers for players just didn't keep me interested, but hey, that's just me. Hey, to each his own, but my attention span is about that of my four year old grandson, so I used to get bored fast with ratings, stars, etc. But I will say that playing "stats only" has kept my attention through many seasons. And if you take your time, and track the players that you draft, your international signings, review and track those players in your feeder leagues that interest you, it is really fun to see how good your "gut" feeling was on a player. After four or five seasons, how is that player progressing. Are you ready to give up on him, and will that come back to bite you? And goes without saying that you always play fictional. At the same time, the other "challenging" way I've found to play the game, is to continuously year in and year out, have the lowest, or nearly the lowest payroll. Be the next Billy Beane, or be like the Astros. Do you have the patience to see your "frugal" ways pay off? And most of the time, I play seasons without making any trades at all, or maybe just one, and generally for some minor leaguers at the AA or AAA level. I really want to see how far my team can go this way. Just my two cents, and again, there are so many different ways to enjoy this game. I've really enjoyed reading this post. Great thing is, after all these years, I'm still learning different ways to play, and enjoy the game.

12-22-2014, 10:42 PM	#111
kmoser Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2013 Location: Texas Posts: 23	I've seen people say that you should play fictional games with your feeder leagues. I don't like to play fictional, I like playing as the MLB, so do feeder leagues work well in an MLB QuickStart?

12-22-2014, 11:09 PM	#114
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,987 Blog Entries: 37	My question with all of this: if a highly touted prospect is struggling, doesn't it become much easier to grab him via trade?