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Old 07-12-2014, 01:49 PM   #1
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New Arbitration System: AI Issue?

I've looked at this a few times, and I think there's definitely an issue here. I don't think the AI teams are offering arbitration, ever, to their free agents (this is with the new-patch-version of the 2012 CBA option ticked). Below are just two seasons of the free agent list, with ZERO free agents with compensation attached. I kept going, and kept seeing the same results, year after year.

http://i.imgur.com/4iv4ukA.png

http://i.imgur.com/m1CI4sI.png

Obviously, if someone see's something contrary to this, let me know...if not, chime in and we can report it as a bug.

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Old 07-14-2014, 09:25 AM   #2
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:17 AM   #3
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I am seeing the same thing.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:40 AM   #4
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Yeah this is a really big deal for me and its happening. I just simmed through an entire season only to find out that the arbitration system seems to be completely broken and zero FAs are receiving qualifying offers. Kinda feel like I wasted an entire night playing out a season now.

Maybe there is a setting that we aren't seeing, but this seems to be a massive issue considering this was one of the major updates for the latest patch.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:47 AM   #5
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Yeah this is a really big deal for me and its happening. I just simmed through an entire season only to find out that the arbitration system seems to be completely broken and zero FAs are receiving qualifying offers. Kinda feel like I wasted an entire night playing out a season now.

Maybe there is a setting that we aren't seeing, but this seems to be a massive issue considering this was one of the major updates for the latest patch.
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Old 07-16-2014, 02:06 AM   #6
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Well didn't pan out. Comp picks work correctly in one of my fictional leagues and I don't know how. That said I haven't tested it in all the ways I want since I'm tired so I'll test it more tomorrow.
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Old 07-16-2014, 08:16 AM   #7
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This is a big deal if it's true. I won't be reaching the end of a season for another week or two so I can't add anything now but I was really looking forward to the compensation system being fixed
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Old 07-16-2014, 09:01 AM   #8
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This is happening with me too.
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Old 07-16-2014, 09:08 AM   #9
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Ive just submitted a support ticket.
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Old 07-16-2014, 09:20 AM   #10
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I am playing historical leagues and not using free agency, but I thought under the new rules that arbitration offers no longer have anything to do with anything. You have to make a 1-year qualifying offer now that is worth whatever the setting is for the value of a superstar contract (in financial settings)..
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I am playing historical leagues and not using free agency, but I thought under the new rules that arbitration offers no longer have anything to do with anything. You have to make a 1-year qualifying offer now that is worth whatever the setting is for the value of a superstar contract (in financial settings)..

Well that's how it's intended to function, where everyone is technically eligible for compensation if offered a qualifying offer. The issue is that the AI is simply not offering any of their players, even the ones they absolutely should, a qualifying offer so you have guys like Liriano, Hanley, Scherzer all as FAs I can sign without giving up my pick.

Don't want to sound all doom and gloom but this is really game breaking for me. I don't get into historical leagues and typically play just 2014 season starts. It basically ruins FA for me and makes it wildly unrealistic haha.
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Give me a minute. I'm testing something. I have a theory.

Thanks for trying! Keep us posted! I'll do the same if I find anything.
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Well that's how it's intended to function, where everyone is technically eligible for compensation if offered a qualifying offer. The issue is that the AI is simply not offering any of their players, even the ones they absolutely should, a qualifying offer so you have guys like Liriano, Hanley, Scherzer all as FAs I can sign without giving up my pick.

Don't want to sound all doom and gloom but this is really game breaking for me. I don't get into historical leagues and typically play just 2014 season starts. It basically ruins FA for me and makes it wildly unrealistic haha.
Could the teams that let these players walk afford to make the qualifying offers?
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Could the teams that let these players walk afford to make the qualifying offers?
Yes. It's broken.
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Could the teams that let these players walk afford to make the qualifying offers?
The Dodgers could have in Hanley's case.

Also, the Dodgers, Pirates, and Tigers would absolutely offer those players a qualifying offer in real life regardless of whether or not they can initially afford it. They would simply move salary around to allow for it. There's no way those teams let players of their caliber walk away for nothing.

Now that in particular may not be something that Markus is able to replicate in OOTP which would be slightly understandable, but this really seems like they're just not offering it. Another poster in here said he tested out a few years ahead to see and the same thing happens each year.
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The Dodgers could have in Hanley's case.

Also, the Dodgers, Pirates, and Tigers would absolutely offer those players a qualifying offer in real life regardless of whether or not they can initially afford it. They would simply move salary around to allow for it. There's no way those teams let players of their caliber walk away for nothing.

Now that in particular may not be something that Markus is able to replicate in OOTP which would be slightly understandable, but this really seems like they're just not offering it. Another poster in here said he tested out a few years ahead to see and the same thing happens each year.
Thanks.

I am just speculating, but it seems to me in OOTP that FA's usually become FA's because the team could not afford to sign the player to an extension. And if they can't afford an extension, they probably cannot afford a qualifying offer.

I'll run some tests here and see if I can get any QA's to happen.
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Old 07-16-2014, 10:29 AM   #17
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Appreciate all the help. I have submitted a support ticket as well just to be sure it gets officially addressed.
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Old 07-16-2014, 10:44 AM   #18
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A team is not likely to make a $13-$14 million QO to a pending FA making $6M. They are somewhat likely to make a QO to a guy making $11M and very likely to make a QO to someone making $16M. In the latter two cases affordability should not be an issue.
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It is not an issue of not having enough money to make offers.

I have entered this in the bugs database and emailed Markus about it.
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It is not an issue of not having enough money to make offers.

I have entered this in the bugs database and emailed Markus about it.
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