For those not wishing to use feeders

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Simple reason I like no feeders is that fact that I get a lot of diversity in where players are drafted from. I get guys from lower divisions and Jr Colleges along with the high school and Division 1 schools. If I used feeders then I wouldn't get nowhere near that mix unless I created a boatload of feeder leagues which would create an unbalance in the game if I am only running a few leagues in the universe. I actually like what BTS is doing with the non playable college leagues that will include these low level colleges. Same with FHM and the older EHM and of course FM which you can make those low leagues playable If you wanted.

Absolutely agree.

[olivertheorem]

I think one of the best things that will come out of having FHM and BTS under the OOTP banner is that one dev or another will have some idea come up for his sport and the other two will pick it up as a fictional-league option for theirs.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Simple reason I like no feeders is that fact that I get a lot of diversity in where players are drafted from. I get guys from lower divisions and Jr Colleges along with the high school and Division 1 schools. If I used feeders then I wouldn't get nowhere near that mix unless I created a boatload of feeder leagues which would create an unbalance in the game if I am only running a few leagues in the universe. I actually like what BTS is doing with the non playable college leagues that will include these low level colleges. Same with FHM and the older EHM and of course FM which you can make those low leagues playable If you wanted.

I want to understand this a little better. Can you make another run at it and say it a different way? Sorry, if I'm being a little thick on this one.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by endgame

I want to understand this a little better. Can you make another run at it and say it a different way? Sorry, if I'm being a little thick on this one.

my understanding, if you have feeder the players will come only from the schools in your feeders, whereas under the FA created class you get more diversity, and sometime a guy from some random minor school.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by le receveur

my understanding, if you have feeder the players will come only from the schools in your feeders, whereas under the FA created class you get more diversity, and sometime a guy from some random minor school.

But why do we think that same diversity doesn't exist in the feeder organizations?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by endgame

But why do we think that same diversity doesn't exist in the feeder organizations?

To get that same diversity from feeders you'd need to set up at least 6 different feeder leagues. D1, D2, D3 and NAIA college leagues, a Juco college league, and a HS league. Most folks aren't going to want to deal with such a large/cumbersome feeder setup.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

To get that same diversity from feeders you'd need to set up at least 6 different feeder leagues. D1, D2, D3 and NAIA college leagues, a Juco college league, and a HS league. Most folks aren't going to want to deal with such a large/cumbersome feeder setup.

Correct.

To me, having that diversity adds some immersion and back stories.

For example. I drafted a guy in the 10th round out of New York City College who is now one of the best position players in the majors.

[Lukas Berger]

The possibility of background college leagues for OOTP is one that would excite me enormously.

Since they already exist in FHM and will exist in BTS, I really, really, really hope they eventually get added to OOTP. If they do I can give up my NCAA roster project and just start adding all those guys straight into the default db, which would be a dream come true

That being said, I'm not holding my breath on this happening anytime soon

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

To get that same diversity from feeders you'd need to set up at least 6 different feeder leagues. D1, D2, D3 and NAIA college leagues, a Juco college league, and a HS league. Most folks aren't going to want to deal with such a large/cumbersome feeder setup.

Not to mention talent levels would be way out of whack.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

The possibility of background college leagues for OOTP is one that would excite me enormously.

Since they already exist in FHM and will exist in BTS, I really, really, really hope they eventually get added to OOTP. If they do I can give up my NCAA roster project and just start adding all those guys straight into the default db, which would be a dream come true

That being said, I'm not holding my breath on this happening anytime soon

This is something I suggested long ago, but it was met with hostility because it resembled FM too much.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This is something I suggested long ago, but it was met with hostility because it resembled FM too much.

It'd really improve the game enormously.

And who cares if it resembles FM too much? FM is the only game that's actually better than OOTP imo, so why not take a few good ideas from it?

I'm just not sure that there'd be enough interest in this for Markus to be willing to do the work needed to make it happen. Maybe it will, but as mentioned, I'm not holding my breath.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Not to mention talent levels would be way out of whack.

Well, that can be sorted by using proper .PCM's. It's a pain in the butt to do though, just like the entire feeder setup process currently is.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This is something I suggested long ago, but it was met with hostility because it resembled FM too much.

I was being sarcastic...there is a faction of people here who have always run me up the flag pole anytime I suggested using certain aspects of FM..which I thought were applicable to baseball

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Well, that can be sorted by using proper .PCM's. It's a pain in the butt to do though, just like the entire feeder setup process currently is.

I thought this at one time also , however, after reading many studies, I am not sure this is the case.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Not knocking the idea/suggestion, but must point this out.

Most of us wanted draft classes with stats for a long time. Markus added feeders so we could have draft classes with stats.

Now we have the feeders we so dearly wanted, and now people don't want them. I'm guessing because it makes league file large and slow.

End of the day, feeders were introduced so you could have stats in your draft class.

If we add this, then it pretty much defeats the purpose of feeders.

My reason for not using feeders is that I do not like that my highschool team has an entire roster from out-of-town. Most highschool teams are populated with players that were born in that town. Sure there a some that move from a different town but not all of them.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

My reason for not using feeders is that I do not like that my highschool team has an entire roster from out-of-town. Most highschool teams are populated with players that were born in that town. Sure there a some that move from a different town but not all of them.

And that has what? to do with what I posted?

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

yes, I think it would be better in leu of feeders. Draft eligible player generation should be deeply expanded upon, rather than having feeders.

100% agree.

Scrap feeders and expand upon player creation...I like it.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

And that has what? to do with what I posted?

I was elaborating on your 4th sentence. I guess I was just adding my why.

[le receveur]

Originally Posted by Honorable_Pawn

100% agree.

Scrap feeders and expand upon player creation...I like it.

the one thing I have loved about feeder since I introduced it is being able to identify potential lower round draftees early on. Since I value defence those stats every year, as well as the award winners are really helpful in identifying guys for lower round, and quite a few have done really well in my system, some even making the majors (and I will acknowledge I am not really bothered about players' origin, but understand your issue HP)

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by le receveur

the one thing I have loved about feeder since I introduced it is being able to identify potential lower round draftees early on. Since I value defence those stats every year, as well as the award winners are really helpful in identifying guys for lower round, and quite a few have done really well in my system, some even making the majors (and I will acknowledge I am not really bothered about players' origin, but understand your issue HP)

Expansion of generated players would include all the stats....so you would still be able to identify them. What I am proposing is similar to the non-playable leagues found in Football Manager.