Two-Way Players

LunchBox · 03-19-2018, 02:42 PM

How does the game know which players to recognize as two-way players

nutt · 03-19-2018, 03:04 PM

They are secretly coded if their name is one of the following:

Babe
Ruth
Shohei
Ohtani

Matt Arnold · 03-19-2018, 03:10 PM

They show up as two-way on the profile if they have their game strategy set to be used as a two-way player.

The AI will set that strategy if they have hitting and pitching potential. Some cases they may skip that (ie. Babe Ruth for part of his career is too good a hitter to waste him in the pen).

LunchBox · 03-19-2018, 03:13 PM

thank you

Rain King · 03-19-2018, 03:17 PM

They have a separate rest status as a hitter and a pitcher.

Rosco Peabody · 03-19-2018, 03:43 PM

How can you see if someone is "set to be a two-way player"? Is there a special designation? Is there a box to click in the editor?

Matt Arnold · 03-19-2018, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

How can you see if someone is "set to be a two-way player"? Is there a special designation? Is there a box to click in the editor?

It's in the game strategy, along with the settings to bench a guy for X days or lock to a minor league level. Otherwise you can see on the profile page if they list both a batting and pitching position.

Rosco Peabody · 03-19-2018, 04:12 PM

Okay, so I don't know where you are referring to. Here is a two way player from my league. I have been playing him as both a SP and a CF since I drafted him. It only lists him as a CF. In previous games, I have just been switching him back and forth, but I thought the two way player thing would make it so I didn't have to do that.

(by the way, I didn't name him that...the game literally gave him that name)

Matt Arnold · 03-19-2018, 04:33 PM

If you go to the actions menu on him, if he's on your team, you should be able to "Set Game Strategy". Then on that page, there's a button to set him as a two way player and you'll get a slightly different view for him and he should work both ways without having to change his position.

DB930 · 03-19-2018, 05:57 PM

I was all prepared to come make a post about this, expressing my concern over leaving it up to the AI and worrying about the possibility of two-way players becoming too common. But then I noticed that in the league options under "General AI Roster Settings" there's a checkbox for "Allow two-way players". Bravo, OOTP devs.

One suggestion, tho: maybe extend this to also being a team-by-team setting? Same as "Allow AI roster changes" and "Allow beards for team members"? Because maybe I have a generational talent who I want to experiment with as a two-way player, but I don't trust the AI not to start doing the same thing with theirs, and before you know it there's 10 of 'em in the league at the same time... :/

Rosco Peabody · 03-19-2018, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DB930

But then I noticed that in the league options under "General AI Roster Settings" there's a checkbox for "Allow two-way players".

Can you be more specific about where this checkbox is? Maybe screenshot?

malichai11 · 03-19-2018, 08:25 PM

Is there an easy way to search for two-way players?

DB930 · 03-19-2018, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosco Peabody

Can you be more specific about where this checkbox is? Maybe screenshot?

Still hoping this'll also get added to the individual team pages, so we can enable it for the league but disable it for some/all of the AI teams.

fcabanski · 03-19-2018, 09:46 PM

Looks like the computer only uses two way players as SP and something else.

Rain King · 03-19-2018, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcabanski

Looks like the computer only uses two way players as SP and something else.

I think they mentioned that if the player turns out to be a lot better at one than the other the AI will (probably correctly) decide not to use them as a two-way. If a guy is an every day player offensively it doesn't make sense to try to use them as a RP, for instance. I would hope there is still a chance they could be used as both a bench player and a RP though.

fcabanski · 03-19-2018, 10:09 PM

A guy could be an every day player and a closer. In the last inning, someone else would take over the defensive position, and the two way closer would warm up then come in to pitch.

I have a player who, if I set his stamina to even 40, is used as a SP and OF. If I set his stamina to 20, the AI places him in the closer slot but never inserts him into a game as a pitcher.

Rain King · 03-19-2018, 10:54 PM

If the game puts him as a closer and doesn't use him, that is definitely an issue. The logistics on that seem tough though. When/where does he warm up?

Timofmars · 03-19-2018, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malichai11

Is there an easy way to search for two-way players?

You could maybe search all batters, then sort by pitching ratings. And search for all pitchers, then sort by batting ratings.

fcabanski · 03-20-2018, 12:03 AM

"If the game puts him as a closer and doesn't use him, that is definitely an issue. The logistics on that seem tough though. When/where does he warm up?"

His team finishes batting, he's already warm and loose from playing in the game. He takes his pitches on the mound.

Rain King · 03-20-2018, 08:48 AM

I don't think that is enough time for most pitchers to warm up. Throwing on the mound is much different than throwing in the outfield or wherever between innings. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done...it is just a logistical nightmare in most situations. You would have to have a pitcher who could get warm extremely quickly and playing 9 innings before pitching isn't going to put him at his best in most cases.

03-19-2018, 02:42 PM	#1
LunchBox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New York Posts: 238	Two-Way Players How does the game know which players to recognize as two-way players

03-19-2018, 04:12 PM	#8
Rosco Peabody All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South of Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 1,092	Okay, so I don't know where you are referring to. Here is a two way player from my league. I have been playing him as both a SP and a CF since I drafted him. It only lists him as a CF. In previous games, I have just been switching him back and forth, but I thought the two way player thing would make it so I didn't have to do that. (by the way, I didn't name him that...the game literally gave him that name) Last edited by Rosco Peabody; 09-13-2018 at 09:47 PM.

03-19-2018, 03:04 PM	#2
nutt OOTP Roster Team Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,076	They are secretly coded if their name is one of the following: Babe Ruth Shohei Ohtani

03-19-2018, 03:10 PM	#3
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,142	They show up as two-way on the profile if they have their game strategy set to be used as a two-way player. The AI will set that strategy if they have hitting and pitching potential. Some cases they may skip that (ie. Babe Ruth for part of his career is too good a hitter to waste him in the pen).

03-19-2018, 03:13 PM	#4
LunchBox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New York Posts: 238	thank you

03-19-2018, 03:17 PM	#5
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,111	They have a separate rest status as a hitter and a pitcher.

03-19-2018, 03:43 PM	#6
Rosco Peabody All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South of Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 1,092	How can you see if someone is "set to be a two-way player"? Is there a special designation? Is there a box to click in the editor?

03-19-2018, 04:33 PM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 14,142	If you go to the actions menu on him, if he's on your team, you should be able to "Set Game Strategy". Then on that page, there's a button to set him as a two way player and you'll get a slightly different view for him and he should work both ways without having to change his position.

03-19-2018, 05:57 PM	#10
DB930 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 302	I was all prepared to come make a post about this, expressing my concern over leaving it up to the AI and worrying about the possibility of two-way players becoming too common. But then I noticed that in the league options under "General AI Roster Settings" there's a checkbox for "Allow two-way players". Bravo, OOTP devs. One suggestion, tho: maybe extend this to also being a team-by-team setting? Same as "Allow AI roster changes" and "Allow beards for team members"? Because maybe I have a generational talent who I want to experiment with as a two-way player, but I don't trust the AI not to start doing the same thing with theirs, and before you know it there's 10 of 'em in the league at the same time... :/

03-19-2018, 08:25 PM	#12
malichai11 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 282	Is there an easy way to search for two-way players?

03-19-2018, 09:46 PM	#14
fcabanski Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 167	Looks like the computer only uses two way players as SP and something else.

03-19-2018, 10:09 PM	#16
fcabanski Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 167	A guy could be an every day player and a closer. In the last inning, someone else would take over the defensive position, and the two way closer would warm up then come in to pitch. I have a player who, if I set his stamina to even 40, is used as a SP and OF. If I set his stamina to 20, the AI places him in the closer slot but never inserts him into a game as a pitcher.

03-19-2018, 10:54 PM	#17
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,111	If the game puts him as a closer and doesn't use him, that is definitely an issue. The logistics on that seem tough though. When/where does he warm up?

03-20-2018, 12:03 AM	#19
fcabanski Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 167	"If the game puts him as a closer and doesn't use him, that is definitely an issue. The logistics on that seem tough though. When/where does he warm up?" His team finishes batting, he's already warm and loose from playing in the game. He takes his pitches on the mound.

03-20-2018, 08:48 AM	#20
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,111	I don't think that is enough time for most pitchers to warm up. Throwing on the mound is much different than throwing in the outfield or wherever between innings. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done...it is just a logistical nightmare in most situations. You would have to have a pitcher who could get warm extremely quickly and playing 9 innings before pitching isn't going to put him at his best in most cases.