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08-26-2019, 09:33 PM | #21 |
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LOL that didn't work at all. I had both roles defined, but it didn't do anything. I guess it was my strategy slider for openers set to "none". Oh well. Will keep an eye out for another opportunity
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08-27-2019, 11:41 AM | #22 |
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Alright, I got the thing to work. It was the "use openers" slider. So here was the situation with my opponent's lineups:
So I definitely want to trigger the lineup vs lefties, to get more righties in the lineup (remember my AVG park factors are minimum for righties). But you also notice that lineup starts with 5 RHB. So it makes sense to open up with a righty opener. So that's what I did. I had Garland Braxton (LHP) stay listed in the rotation, but set to follower. Lee Smith stayed in the bullpen and was set to opener. The results: Now obviously this is just one game, but it worked exactly like I hoped. Lee Smith got through those first five batters without giving up any damage. The AI didn't pinch hit since it was the first inning, and I got the favorable matchups. My lefty follower came in and lasted six innings, long enough to get the game to my stoppers, who closed it out. Could not have gone better if I managed the game myself. Last edited by chazzycat; 08-27-2019 at 11:45 AM. |
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Looks like the opener/follower can work pretty nice on a small scale if you're watching the matchups. I found it to not work as intended on a large passive scale though, so it's not for me as I'm not around for most of the games.
I tried 3 lefty followers (within a 5-man rotation), with 5 righty middle relievers available as openers. I'm not sure what went wrong, but it was a disaster and my entire staff and bullpen were exhausted. I had starters beginning at 70% stamina for some reason, which you'd normally never-ever see with a 5-man rotation. |
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Agreed. I think it's best deployed tactically, rather than strategically. A good tool for the playoffs, mostly.
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Since the default strategy setting is "base lineup on likely follower", I don't see how opener/follower provides any advantage at all. The only possible gain is to get a platoon advantage in the first inning. For that, you spend a reliever that won't be available for a key situation late in the game.
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Not sure I follow the logic about "spending a reliever". Why would it matter if he pitches the 1st inning instead of the sixth? The starter would presumably last an inning longer with an opener, removing the need for that reliever. |
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I'm using it in a completely different way, just to get a couple extra at bats with the combined handedness & park factor advantages. In the perfect playoffs competing against megawhales....you bet your a$$$ I'm looking for any tiny little advantage. |
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But yes it is a small advantage. Most likely just a couple extra at bats per game. |
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With my method (which is different than what chazzycat is using), I don't set anyone on my staff as opener or follower. The guy I want coming in to pitch later I set as long reliever.
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If this is true, the openers/follower setup could be much more useful than I previously believed. Especially for starters who gain 10+ points of stuff as RP. |
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08-28-2019, 04:36 PM | #35 |
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well that clears that up! Thanks Matt
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Just to be clear, it doesn’t matter if the follower is set as a SP with SP stuff or an RP with RP stuff...the follower still gets the SP stuff in either case?
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Yes. Same as regular starters or relievers, what position they're set as has no impact on what stuff rating is used when they appear in games.
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1. Opener/Follower setup: Main selling point is your designated follower maintains more of a "starter" level of stamina. Follower does not get a stuff boost and opponent's 'base lineup on likely follower' checkbox will usually nullify any major platoon advantages. But, you get a platoon advantage early on (1st/2nd innings). 2. Using RP on a pitch count/starter as long relief (no Opener/Follower designated): Main selling point is you can trick the other team into using the wrong platoon lineup. The starter-come-reliever also gets the stuff boost. But, it may be difficult to get a single un-designated follower to pitch much beyond 3-4 innings without major player strategy intervention/benching other players. Which arrangement is best depends on what you're trying to accomplish I suppose.
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Therefore, clearly at an absolute minimum pitching fatigue (how long it takes them to recover between appearances) reflects the SP/RP designation. I'm also pretty sure (though not 100%) that pitching stamina (how long they can last in a game) also does this... so if RP maybe they could last around 3-4 innings but if SP they could go 6+ IP. Given that (and the fact that stuff changes not when placing someone in the bullpen, but instead only when you change the designation from SP to RP), I would have also thought that stuff reflected the SP/RP designation for starters in the bullpen so essentially the trade-off is lower stuff, longer stamina, longer recovery vs higher stuff, shorter stamina, shorter recovery. However, what you're saying suggests my assumptions may be wrong? If so, there's still a trade-off but it then becomes more to do with fatigue and stamina. It would also mean having a starter in the bullpen with a SP designation is more enticing (as they still receive the stuff boost when previously I thought they did not). Further, if the SP/RP designation makes no difference to stuff and only their role makes the difference, perhaps you should consider adjusting stuff when the role changes rather than when the SP/RP designation changes. |
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