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Thank you for the extensive information in respect of the 1911 team photo and the nickname correction.
I will start entering names on the post that includes the team photo. Note that nine players are in uniform and 10 are wearing jackets. Would the nine players in uniform potentially be the starting lineup for an early season encounter. Bob Groom started the game of 21st April but Walter Johnson is depicted in uniform. Interestingly behind Groom the Nationals shut out the Highlanders 1-0 . The second game of what turned out to be a 2 game Series took place on a Monday 24th. Does that mean bad weather interrupted the Series over the weekend. Paradoxically Johnson started the second game but the Nationals lost 5-3. Johnson in uniform raised the possibility that this could be a photo from 24th. April. The batting order on the 24th was Milan, Schaefer, Elberfeld, Cunningham, Miller, McBride, Henry, Ainsmith and Johnson. The only 2 changes from the 21st were Johnson in for Groom and Ainsmith catching in place of Street. The player on the ground third from right appears to be wearing a catchers mitt. It is plausable that it is Ainsmith rather than Street again giving weight that it may be an image from the 24th. Last edited by UKBaseballfan; 05-06-2024 at 09:38 AM. |
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It is Ainsmith with the catcher's mitt in the bottom row. I believe Street is in a sweater, just right of Johnson. You may be right about the players without sweaters being those who started the Monday game. |
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I have made my first attempt at identifying the players in the photo, listed below. I believe that Dixie Walker and Tom Hughes are not in it. Walker had been injured in his previous start, and was probably not in uniform for the games in New York. Hughes was scheduled to pitch the first game in Philadelphia after leaving New York, and may have also chosen not to dress for the last game at Hilltop Park. John Somerlott joined the Nationals later in the month, but there is no evidence he was with the team in New York**. I have attached an image of him below. That left me with 18 players to fill 19 spots. I cannot find a good match for the short man at the far left of the top row. The players who were with the team late in spring training and then cut are all accounted for (they were not in New York, as far as I can tell). All of the players not in sweaters played in the game on April 24th. Here are my IDs: Top Row: Conroy***, Sherry, Gessler***, Cunningham, Lelivelt, Groom, Somerlott**, Johnson, Hughes*, Street, Otey, McBride. Bottom Row: Schaefer, Milan, Conway, Miller, Ainsmith, Elberfeld, Henry. Having just posted this, I see we have a number of differences. Miller was the only lefthander in the lineup on the 24th, and Milan was right-handed, so I think Miller is a better match for the player fourth from the left in the bottom row. Conway was 5'11", taller than the player on the far left of the top row. (UKBaseballFan has updated his IDs since I wrote this.) *I have replaced Gessler with Hughes, after further discussion with UKBaseballFan. I am doubtful that Gessler is the player on the far left of the top row. **I have determined that Somerlott was with the team in New York, and have now placed him in the picture. ***My confidence in these IDs is lower than for most of the others. John Somerlott Last edited by RUKen; 05-08-2024 at 12:32 PM. |
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I concede that Lelivelt is a better match than Conroy for top row, 5th from left. I am pretty certain, though, that Conroy is actually top row, 3rd from left, and Gray is where I've had him at top row, 7th from left. 3rd-left has full cheeks like Conroy, whereas 7th-left is gaunt like Gray.
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I think Groom's facial expression when being photographed is a really good match for the partially obscured player top row, 6th from left. I think Gessler, at 5'10", is better for top row, 9th from left, than the short guy at top row, far left (who appears to be 5'8" or less).
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1911 Washingon Nationals - Wid Conroy / Doc Gessler
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Analysing a match with Conroy the shape of the mouth and the ears do appear to be a match with the unidentified player top left and I agree the light and shadow issues do not make matters easy. The negatives in terms of a positive match are that Conroy appears to like his cap tilted on both of the 2 identified images down from his right towards the left. The chin does not look right and the facial appearance is broader in the team photo image. As an additional comparison I have added 2 images of Doc Gessler from the 1903 Tigers and 1906 Cubs. Just to clarify the 5 images from l-r are 1909 Wid Conroy, 1910 Wid Conroy, unidentified player 1911 team photo, 1903 Doc Gessler, 1906 Doc Gessler Last edited by UKBaseballfan; 05-07-2024 at 11:15 PM. Reason: Direct comparison of unidentified with Conroy and Gessler |
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Somerlott's face is very similar to Gray's, and unlike Conroy's or Gessler's. I have attached a newspaper article from 1910 that confirms Somerlott's height.
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