So why should I buy OOTP19?

Leafs2016 · 02-10-2018, 09:18 PM

From reading about new additions seems to me its just an updated roster and 3D graphics tweak. So why SHOULD i invest in this game?

Rosters can be updated in OOTP18...

joejccva71 · 02-10-2018, 09:48 PM

I too am curious about this. Are there enough updates to the game to warrant the purchase? If the AI not just from other teams but from your coaches is much better then that's good enough for me but it's a good question to ask.

If I just play the GM of the Yankees, Indians or Cubs and I let Girardi, Francona, or Maddon take full control of the team (lineups, callups/senddowns and rotations) then they should be immaculate and definitely a huge difference than other managers in the league, etc.

See what I mean?

pstrickert · 02-10-2018, 09:52 PM

The Road to Release will probably make a good case, I’d imagine.

low · 02-10-2018, 09:57 PM

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

The Game · 02-10-2018, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by low

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

I saw that every ear, then Markus comes out with something that i want then I get the game. As of right now i'm waiting til the game comes out til I buy it but that has more to do with patches vs anything. i want to see more of the 3D stuff and if misc things have finally been fixed or updated.

Padreman · 02-10-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by low

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

OOTP has Competitors as you can see here
http://gmgames.org/section/mlb-baseb...mulator-games/

They have several competitors which Gives them more of a reason to try to be creative and Groundbreaking. So they can keep their customers here playing OOTP and to be able to get new customers from the other games

RchW · 02-10-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by low

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

Absolutely your right to spend as you please but be mindful that should that position carry the day with significant enough numbers there would be no game to purchase at all.

I will however defend the so-called glorified roster update, as a thing of real value that competitors in the genre charge a significant sum for, including past seasons (free in OOTP not the competition) that is separate from the core game cost.

MizzouRah · 02-10-2018, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by low

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

You can say that about EA NHL as well... BUT

I support the text sim developers, especially Out of the Park developments, Wolverine Studios and Solecismic. Without our support, they would stop making these great simulators and we would be stuck with console sports games.

None of the developers above have ever just had a "glorified roster update". They work their tails off and somehow add lots of great features, UI enhancements, better AI, etc...

To each his own.. but as long as I'm still employed, I will always buy from these developers as long as they keep making yearly versions of their games. (which they need our support)

joejccva71 · 02-10-2018, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

You can say that about EA NHL as well... BUT

I support the text sim developers, especially Out of the Park developments, Wolverine Studios and Solecismic. Without our support, they would stop making these great simulators and we would be stuck with console sports games.

Let's not forget about Sigames - Football Manager, as absolutely brilliant as that game is.

I just hope the AI is drastically improved in OOTP 19 because if it's not, then it is just a roster update honestly.

pstrickert · 02-11-2018, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by joejccva71

Let's not forget about Sigames - Football Manager, as absolutely brilliant as that game is.

I just hope the AI is drastically improved in OOTP 19 because if it's not, then it is just a roster update honestly.

If OOTP19 is just a glorified roster update, then I’m at a loss to explain the massive efforts being devoted as we speak to feature testing and enhancement (not to mention the refinement of past features and AI). I know you’re not on the other side of the mirror. So, I’ll cut you some slack. But, frankly, your comment is insulting.

bombboy85 · 02-11-2018, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by low

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

I absolutely can't disagree with you in some of this. If the $40 to pre-order is an expense that is tough to justify absolutely may not be worth it. For myself it's affordable compared to all the time I spend in the game instead of spending money elsewhere. I buy every year because I love this game and somehow I think it couldn't get better but it always does beyond just updating rosters. The devs of this game seem to love and listen to their community and make the improvements people want year in and year out. Just looking at how the games internals work (ignoring UI updates) it is so much better than just 4 years ago. The first announcement always seem to be nice updates but nothing major but as more is revealed it shows how much they worked on.

mars001 · 02-11-2018, 12:40 AM

I gladly buy every year to support the developers. I've never been disappointed with a verison. I play the game every day. I can't think of a better or more worthwhile to spend $40. Well worth it.

joejccva71 · 02-11-2018, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

If OOTP19 is just a glorified roster update, then I’m at a loss to explain the massive efforts being devoted as we speak to feature testing and enhancement (not to mention the refinement of past features and AI). I know you’re not on the other side of the mirror. So, I’ll cut you some slack. But, frankly, your comment is insulting.

No you make a good point. I guess I'm just used to how EA is with their sports games is all. I remain optimistic with OOTP, I do love this year's game.

BaseballMan · 02-11-2018, 02:11 AM

I will probably get it. If it doesn't have enough to validate for me the purchase then i will just think of it as seeing a movie in which the previews were great but not much else or maybe a night or hour of drinking if i still drank.
I'm not expecting that i won't be happy with 19. Only 2 versions i was disappointed with was 2006 and 18. The game making every team an expansion team when you go from manual expansion to auto expansion forced me to go back to 17. Whatever they did from 17 to 18 messed it up.

Germaniac · 02-11-2018, 04:20 AM

This game is at a point where you can't expect these shiny spectacular additions year after year.

I have the feeling that a lot of guys don't realize any more how much is in this game already ... and that it still is a computer game and not reality.

Markus and his team constantly work on a lot of small things that most of us don't even realize.

So why should you buy OOTP19?

Maybe for the features announced already. Or to support a small company, where you actively can interact with the owner itself and get a personal feedback

You see, it's hard for me to explain why you should buy OOTP19 if you don't already know ... simply because this is no question for me, year after year I'm one of the first to pre-order.

But let's take a look from the other side - what would happen if we'd all stop buying OOTP after v19:

The already small team would have to be reduced, so even small changes to the game would take much longer, not even speaking from new additions.
The game would stagnate at a certain point, interest in the game would plummet, causing activity in the community to do the same.

And after a few years this game would be history.

So let's support Markus and his team even though there are no shiny new additions (even though I can't see that for v19)

But obviously each and every one of us has to come up with his own decision.

TwinsGuy11 · 02-11-2018, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by low

Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

Not make this a thread about 2k, but you really didn't mention them with Madden, did you? With how much content they add and how deep that game is?

pstrickert · 02-11-2018, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by joejccva71

No you make a good point. I guess I'm just used to how EA is with their sports games is all. I remain optimistic with OOTP, I do love this year's game.

I apologize if I was a bit harsh. It’s just that I know from about a decade of experience on the beta team how much Markus , Andreas, Matt, and others, including Bigrod, Spritze, the roster guys, etc., etc., bust their tails each year to add an impressive set of new features and refinements to make the game worth purchasing. To them, the worst thing is to have potential customers go “ho-hum.” The Road to Release articles will go into more detail about OOTP19 and help you decide if the game is worth your $40.

Westheim · 02-11-2018, 09:10 AM

Hours in OOTP 16 in Steam: 2,036
Hours in OOTP 18 in Steam: 0

So why should I buy OOTP19?

jaysfan17 · 02-11-2018, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

You can say that about EA NHL as well... BUT

You beat me to the punch. I was going to say "don't forget EA NHL". What a crappy game now. I remember it being fun, not anymore.

Déjà Bru · 02-11-2018, 09:51 AM

I respect what pstrickert said but my stance is more with MizzouRah and Germaniac in this regard. A few years back, I had the same thoughts as Leafs2016 and joejccva71 but I stayed on board anyway and did not regret it. This year, I just sent in my $40 ahead of time because OOTPD has earned my ongoing support.

Whether that sentiment will be rewarded remains to be seen but even if not, I will not regret the money. However, for how long OOTPD can count on that sentiment also remains to be seen as it will not be inexhaustible if the game does indeed become stagnant over time.

02-10-2018, 09:18 PM	#1
Leafs2016 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 58 Blog Entries: 1	So why should I buy OOTP19? From reading about new additions seems to me its just an updated roster and 3D graphics tweak. So why SHOULD i invest in this game? Rosters can be updated in OOTP18... Last edited by Leafs2016; 02-10-2018 at 09:22 PM.

02-10-2018, 09:48 PM	#2
joejccva71 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 101	I too am curious about this. Are there enough updates to the game to warrant the purchase? If the AI not just from other teams but from your coaches is much better then that's good enough for me but it's a good question to ask. If I just play the GM of the Yankees, Indians or Cubs and I let Girardi, Francona, or Maddon take full control of the team (lineups, callups/senddowns and rotations) then they should be immaculate and definitely a huge difference than other managers in the league, etc. See what I mean? Last edited by joejccva71; 02-10-2018 at 09:52 PM.

02-11-2018, 04:20 AM	#15
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 2,993	This game is at a point where you can't expect these shiny spectacular additions year after year. I have the feeling that a lot of guys don't realize any more how much is in this game already ... and that it still is a computer game and not reality. Markus and his team constantly work on a lot of small things that most of us don't even realize. So why should you buy OOTP19? Maybe for the features announced already. Or to support a small company, where you actively can interact with the owner itself and get a personal feedback You see, it's hard for me to explain why you should buy OOTP19 if you don't already know ... simply because this is no question for me, year after year I'm one of the first to pre-order. But let's take a look from the other side - what would happen if we'd all stop buying OOTP after v19: The already small team would have to be reduced, so even small changes to the game would take much longer, not even speaking from new additions. The game would stagnate at a certain point, interest in the game would plummet, causing activity in the community to do the same. And after a few years this game would be history. So let's support Markus and his team even though there are no shiny new additions (even though I can't see that for v19) But obviously each and every one of us has to come up with his own decision. __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

02-11-2018, 09:10 AM	#18
Westheim Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 11,905	Hours in OOTP 16 in Steam: 2,036 Hours in OOTP 18 in Steam: 0 So why should I buy OOTP19? __________________ Portland Raccoons, 83 years of excell-.... of baseball: Furballs here! 1983 * 1989 * 1991 * 1992 * 1993 * 1995 * 1996 * 2010 * 2017 * 2018 * 2019 * 2026 * 2028 * 2035 * 2037 * 2044 * 2045 * 2046 * 2047 * 2048 * 2051 * 2054 * 2055 1 OSANAI : 2 POWELL : 7 NOMURA \| RAMOS : 8 REECE : 10 BROWN : 15 HALL : 27 FERNANDEZ : 28 CASAS : 31 CARMONA : 32 WEST : 39 TONER : 46 SAITO Resident Mets Cynic - The Mets from 1962 onwards, here.

02-11-2018, 09:51 AM	#20
Déjà Bru Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United States Posts: 10,456	I respect what pstrickert said but my stance is more with MizzouRah and Germaniac in this regard. A few years back, I had the same thoughts as Leafs2016 and joejccva71 but I stayed on board anyway and did not regret it. This year, I just sent in my $40 ahead of time because OOTPD has earned my ongoing support. Whether that sentiment will be rewarded remains to be seen but even if not, I will not regret the money. However, for how long OOTPD can count on that sentiment also remains to be seen as it will not be inexhaustible if the game does indeed become stagnant over time. __________________ - Bru

02-10-2018, 09:52 PM	#3
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,741	The Road to Release will probably make a good case, I’d imagine.

02-10-2018, 09:57 PM	#4
low Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 5,737	Annual release cycles is one thing I absolutely hate about sports games. Glorified roster updates is a what a lot of them turn into, especially when they have zero competition (Madden and NBA2K come to mind). This is why I no longer buy them every year. I'll probably be skipping OOTP the next year or two.

02-11-2018, 12:40 AM	#12
mars001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 873	I gladly buy every year to support the developers. I've never been disappointed with a verison. I play the game every day. I can't think of a better or more worthwhile to spend $40. Well worth it.

02-11-2018, 02:11 AM	#14
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,272	I will probably get it. If it doesn't have enough to validate for me the purchase then i will just think of it as seeing a movie in which the previews were great but not much else or maybe a night or hour of drinking if i still drank. I'm not expecting that i won't be happy with 19. Only 2 versions i was disappointed with was 2006 and 18. The game making every team an expansion team when you go from manual expansion to auto expansion forced me to go back to 17. Whatever they did from 17 to 18 messed it up.