|
||||
|
|
Talk Sports Discuss everything that is sports-related, like MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, MLS, NASCAR, NCAA sports and teams, trades, coaches, bad calls etc. |
|
Thread Tools |
02-14-2020, 07:32 PM | #21 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Where you live
Posts: 11,017
|
Quote:
College sports teams don't pocket the profit to enrich the owners either. Most of them run at about even or losing money. That's better than the pro teams. Going back to the Celtic case, the problem the winning is not as awarding is because the team is stuck in a secondary league with no way up, while losing most of its European games. There also seems no hope for the team to get better. Ajax dominates domestically also, but they have much more fun in Europe. It'd be much easier for Celtic fans to enjoy the wins, if they are more ignorant about soccer in other countries. MLS fans can't feel too serious about whatever winning, unless they only know MLS and no European football. This kind of thing is possible in the US, not really possible in Scotland.
__________________
Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. Last edited by Skipaway; 02-14-2020 at 07:40 PM. |
|
02-14-2020, 07:45 PM | #22 | |
All Star Starter
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Birmingham, UK
Posts: 1,754
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
02-14-2020, 08:31 PM | #23 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,152
|
Quote:
Meanwhile Celtic has a wage budget the size of the rest of the league combined, beating glorified amateur teams in 6K capacity stadiums before getting crushed in Europe. I don't really see how any part of that is fulfilling or fun. I agree with your point that the domestic league structure is flawed and causes teams to get "stuck" without any real goals to shoot for. If they were to combine the Eredivisie/Belgian/Danish leagues and then do the same in Eastern Europe maybe you can start boosting the TV revenue enough for some teams to progress. Last edited by dkgo; 02-14-2020 at 08:34 PM. |
|
02-14-2020, 08:37 PM | #24 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Where you live
Posts: 11,017
|
Quote:
__________________
Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. Last edited by Skipaway; 02-14-2020 at 08:39 PM. |
|
02-14-2020, 08:42 PM | #25 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Where you live
Posts: 11,017
|
Quote:
Yeah, English pyramid may be top heavy and you may say that's a problem, but it's nowhere as bad as in the US. In the US type of system, Newcastle would never have been relegated, and Burnley would never have a team.
__________________
Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. Last edited by Skipaway; 02-14-2020 at 08:45 PM. |
|
02-14-2020, 08:44 PM | #26 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,152
|
Seems like the discussion has shifted a bit, but as Bayern/Juve/etc the only thing that matters is the Champions League where you are on even footing with the other contenders.
|
02-14-2020, 08:50 PM | #27 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Where you live
Posts: 11,017
|
Quote:
If Celtics has been doing as well as Ajax in Europe, I am pretty sure its fans wouldn't have considered it "boring", and Ajax actually didn't dominate domestically as much as Celtics. Just a few years ago, people were hoping that Brendan Rogers can lead the team to do OK in Europe, and I am pretty sure those were more exciting times. After years of disappointment it's now tiring.
__________________
Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. |
|
02-14-2020, 08:57 PM | #28 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: North of England Gods Country
Posts: 7,175
|
When Skipaway mentioned 130 teams in the Scottish pyramid, I thought I wonder how many teams compete for the English FA Cup well it boggled my mind. In last years FA Cup 736 teams competed for it, mind boggled.
|
02-14-2020, 09:05 PM | #29 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: North of England Gods Country
Posts: 7,175
|
The big problem or should that be two problems they have is
1) They can't compete with the money that's why theres always rumours of them trying to join the EPL or trying to form a European league, think it was called the Atlantic League. They have/had Talent but can't keep it. 2) Is upping there game, no disrespect but playing Falkirk on a Saturday doesn't get you ready for playing Barcelona on a Wednesday. |
02-14-2020, 11:10 PM | #30 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Where you live
Posts: 11,017
|
I still remembered that 7-0 game a couple of years ago.
__________________
Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. |
02-15-2020, 12:17 AM | #31 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: North of England Gods Country
Posts: 7,175
|
Celtic weren't the only ones they put 7 past that season, they put 6 past PSG. I prefer to remember the 2-1
|
02-15-2020, 12:34 PM | #32 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,152
|
Quote:
|
|
02-15-2020, 03:10 PM | #33 |
Minors (Triple A)
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Canada
Posts: 209
|
Growing up as a kid in Canada I was of course a hockey fan first. The Canadiens won 4 straight Cups from 76-79, then the Islanders won 4 straight from 80-83. It didn't stop me from cheering for my favorite team (Leafs, sigh) then. These days, if the Yankees or Sox go crazy again and rattle off a bunch of championships in a row, I'll still be cheering on my Jays.
Dynasties are a good thing, IMHO. They give opposing fanbases easy "Evil Empire" targets to cheer against. As long as they are somewhat controlled by league economics. I get that football in Europe is more vulnerable to the "most $$$ wins" syndrome. Last edited by Gruber_Tagged_Him; 02-15-2020 at 03:12 PM. |
02-15-2020, 04:12 PM | #34 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,152
|
Right. The Patriots were somewhat a dynasty but at no point did it ever seem like it was a foregone conclusion they would make the Super Bowl at the start of the year. How many seasons would they be 2-2 and we'd have to listen to talking heads say they were "done".
|
02-16-2020, 12:26 PM | #35 |
All Star Starter
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Birmingham, UK
Posts: 1,754
|
Hey there have a ‘proper’ Scottish Premiership game on TV today, Kilmarnock v Hibernian
Now I don’t know how good it’ll be but still (Pretty good actually )
__________________
Last edited by PocketsAintFull; 02-16-2020 at 01:22 PM. |
02-28-2020, 12:20 PM | #36 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Where you live
Posts: 11,017
|
Celtics season just got even more boring, and it's surely not because of winning.
__________________
Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest. |
02-28-2020, 12:51 PM | #37 |
All Star Reserve
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Hague,Netherlands
Posts: 836
|
|
02-28-2020, 12:52 PM | #38 |
All Star Reserve
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Hague,Netherlands
Posts: 836
|
|
02-28-2020, 01:04 PM | #39 |
All Star Starter
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Birmingham, UK
Posts: 1,754
|
__________________
|
02-28-2020, 01:34 PM | #40 |
All Star Starter
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 1,782
|
My first thought after reading this question was on 2 extremes:
participating and getting beaten mercilessly with no idea how to improve participating and winning (nearly) every game without much effort, & when challenges come up nearly always having an answer... I suppose there is a chance when you are winning, always the chance that you could be beaten, but that's only provided you are in a league where the other participants are at least somewhere in your neighborhood in overall skill. just like you could get lucky if you were incredibly lousy but the other participant would have to not be light years ahead of you... so I think it is almost like the joy of the game is mostly in playing out an interesting mystery puzzle almost...don't know which way it is going to go...could have a bad day or good day, make a bad choice or good choice. I would most likely want to play in a league where the other participants are about where I am & the little details of any season are what determined who won & lost. You might say I'm answering "Yes, winning can get boring because the least boring experience would be a projected .500 finish with lots of variables that could alter that one way or another." That's a quick off-the-cuff answer. Just my reaction to the question.
__________________
|
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | |
|
|