NFL 2019 Thread

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

No.

If we.are taught to look up to athletes of our own skin color how will society ever be colorless?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

absolutely not

Why did I already know that?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

If we.are taught to look up to athletes of our own skin color how will society ever be colorless?

Who is being taught that?

When you see someone of your race overcome a stereotype that Bill Polian expressed, you're happy. Cause you know it makes it easier for those that will follow. Why do you think Peyton Hillis ended up on the cover of Madden? It wasn't because of a bunch of Browns fans. It was because white people were happy to see a white man overcome the stereotype that whites can't play HB. I had no problem with that. I'm elated he and McCaffrey, Sehorn, & Thielen crushed or are crushing that prejudicial thinking.

The problem comes from fans like the ones in Atlanta who refused to pull for Matt Ryan when he replaced Mike Vick. There is no doubt Vick has been unjustly demonized by over-zealous activists. The man paid for his crimes & made amends. But his replacement in Atlanta had nothing to do with race. Those particular fans made it about race.

You don't support someone just because of his color. You support someone because he is advancing the opportunities for your color.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Why did I already know that?

When I 1st joined this forum, 1st debate I got into was over Rose.

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Do articles like these send the wrong message about equality?

https://theundefeated.com/features/f...yond-football/

equality doesn't mean "pretend race doesn't exist"

I see nothing wrong at all with rooting for a person with a similar background to you. Thats what people connect to and honestly is more logical than rooting for a person based on the uniform color they wear.

[Boomcoach]

Originally Posted by dkgo

equality doesn't mean "pretend race doesn't exist"

I see nothing wrong at all with rooting for a person with a similar background to you. Thats what people connect to and honestly is more logical than rooting for a person based on the uniform color they wear.

In particular when people "with a similar background" have had to fight to get the opportunity to play at all.

[ezpkns34]

Originally Posted by dkgo

Because no one ever has enough. Billionaires will cheat their taxes for a thousand bucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xcYLVdfFro

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by dkgo

equality doesn't mean "pretend race doesn't exist"

I see nothing wrong at all with rooting for a person with a similar background to you. Thats what people connect to and honestly is more logical than rooting for a person based on the uniform color they wear.

I'm getting tired of hearing about who is a black quarterback and who is a white quarterback. Eventually people will be judged on their merits.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by dkgo

Because no one ever has enough. Billionaires will cheat their taxes for a thousand bucks. Eventually when you are working underhanded for so long it's just second nature and very casual because you don't even remember that you are doing anything wrong.

Echoing that sentiment, multiple NFL players are indicted in a healthcare scheme,
including Clinton Portis. Joe Horn & Reche Caldwell are expected to be charged as well.

[monkeyman576]

I don't like Dirk Nowvitzki more than Michael Jordan, even though I am white.

[dkgo]

OK, but do you understand why a German NBA fan might be drawn to rooting for Nowitzki?

[ezpkns34]

Larry Bird was a bit before my time, but whenever someone brings up Bird during discussions on all time best players, you can safely assume that they look a bit more like Bird than Jordan

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

Larry Bird was a bit before my time, but whenever someone brings up Bird during discussions on all time best players, you can safely assume that they look a bit more like Bird than Jordan

I don't know, when you're talking all time I think you should be honest. Even though I think Bird was an anomaly even for a white player, that's how good he was, I'd take Jordan over him and I look more like Larry. Jordan was just a game changer on another level.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Echoing that sentiment, multiple NFL players are indicted in a healthcare scheme,
including Clinton Portis. Joe Horn & Reche Caldwell are expected to be charged as well.

Times are rough. Sometimes you do what you have to do to put food on the table.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

When I 1st joined this forum, 1st debate I got into was over Rose.

IMO, Spygate alone takes him out of HOF contention. But hey, that's just me. I will always maintain that HOF members should be elite.

That said, I don't believe the same applies to Brady in regards to deflating a football. Why? Because I do not believe that is cheating. If nothing else Deflategate did one thing, it clearly showed who didn't play a down of football in their entire lives.

Don't get me wrong, I realize you don't need to play football to know football. But this is a unique situation. If you've never played a lot of football it will show in your comments regarding deflating footballs.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by ezpkns34

Larry Bird was a bit before my time, but whenever someone brings up Bird during discussions on all time best players, you can safely assume that they look a bit more like Bird than Jordan

Not really. I put him up there among the top 10, 15 or so. I've never sat down & done a list. But Bird & Magic are a closer ancestor to LBJ than Jordan was. In fact, when it comes strictly on the court, those 2 did more to change the game than Michael did. Jordan's impact is on the grander sports scale than merely basketball.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by dkgo

OK, but do you understand why a German NBA fan might be drawn to rooting for Nowitzki?

Sure, I understand rooting for someone in regards to nationality more than race. At some point being a black quarterback will not be a big deal. I feel like the media tries to instigate racial strife rather than make it better.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I don't even think the Bengals coaching staff watch their own game film.

I watch TNF, 3 games on Sunday and MNF, I've seen a couple of Bengals games live and 40 minute highlights of there other games I also went watching them in London please don't judge me

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I don't like Dirk Nowvitzki more than Michael Jordan, even though I am white.

That's you. You're not right. You're not wrong. Neither are Lamar's fans.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Sure, I understand rooting for someone in regards to nationality more than race. At some point being a black quarterback will not be a big deal. I feel like the media tries to instigate racial strife rather than make it better.

EXACTLY! And when will that happen? When the "experts" as a whole stops suggesting Heisman Trophy QB's should play elsewhere in the NFL. That comes to fruition faster if Lamar is able to expand the public's horizons. That's something worth rooting for.