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View Poll Results: Cy Young Vote
Zaire Koffi 1 1.72%
Luis Soliz 54 93.10%
Mike Gauvin 0 0%
Josh Graves 1 1.72%
Dan Nielson 2 3.45%
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Old 09-29-2019, 07:49 PM   #1
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Who would you vote for Cy Young award?

My season just ended, just curious -

1) Zaire Koffi - 34 GS, 15-7, 2.25 era, 159 K's, 6.4 WAR
2) Luis Soliz - 33 GS, 19-3, 2.45 era, 270 K's, 6.7 WAR
3) Mike Gauvin - 33 GS, 15-8, 2.78 era, 189 K's, 6.5 WAR
4) Josh Graves - 2.87 era, 2-4, 50 saves, 104 K's, 1.6 WAR
5) Dan Nielson - 8 GS, 15-4, 31 saves, 2.46 era, 90 K's, 2.5 WAR

2 and 5 are mine, i think its deff Luis.
But, I have a soft spot for 5, Dan Nielson. I converted him to SP when one of my starters got hurt, and he continued to dominate. He had a bunch of wins before becoming a starter, as evident with only 8 games started and 15 wins. I think it looks cool with 15 wins and 30 saves.

So, do I stick with the normal vote should be in Luis, or give to Dan?

Cant get the poll added for some reason.
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Old 09-29-2019, 08:29 PM   #2
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My season just ended, just curious -

1) Zaire Koffi - 34 GS, 15-7, 2.25 era, 159 K's, 6.4 WAR
2) Luis Soliz - 33 GS, 19-3, 2.45 era, 270 K's, 6.7 WAR
3) Mike Gauvin - 33 GS, 15-8, 2.78 era, 189 K's, 6.5 WAR
4) Josh Graves - 2.87 era, 2-4, 50 saves, 104 K's, 1.6 WAR
5) Dan Nielson - 8 GS, 15-4, 31 saves, 2.46 era, 90 K's, 2.5 WAR

2 and 5 are mine, i think its deff Luis.
But, I have a soft spot for 5, Dan Nielson. I converted him to SP when one of my starters got hurt, and he continued to dominate. He had a bunch of wins before becoming a starter, as evident with only 8 games started and 15 wins. I think it looks cool with 15 wins and 30 saves.

So, do I stick with the normal vote should be in Luis, or give to Dan?

Cant get the poll added for some reason.
Not nearly enough, or the correct, info

WAR is the most useful thing you posted so 1-3 are too close to call.
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Old 09-29-2019, 08:41 PM   #3
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I was just posting what I saw on the standings page. I could go all in depth, but just giving the basics.

I was just seeing if Nielson, irl, would have a chance going from closer to starter with those numbers. But the other guys had great seasons too.
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Old 09-29-2019, 08:50 PM   #4
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Soliz ended up with 35/36 first place votes.
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Old 09-29-2019, 09:33 PM   #5
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They got it right, Solis should be the winner.
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Old 09-29-2019, 10:14 PM   #6
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ERA can be deceptive - how many IP's for each starter? - but the 270 K's shows both substantial IP's and dominance. Plus, 4 extra wins and a .864 W% (Koffi .682; Gauvin .652) still mean something to me. Sorry, no relief pitchers for Cy Young; they get the Rolaids Relief Award or whatever it's called now.

Luis Soliz.
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Came here to say Jacob deGrom

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My season just ended, just curious -

1) Zaire Koffi - 34 GS, 15-7, 2.25 era, 159 K's, 6.4 WAR
2) Luis Soliz - 33 GS, 19-3, 2.45 era, 270 K's, 6.7 WAR
3) Mike Gauvin - 33 GS, 15-8, 2.78 era, 189 K's, 6.5 WAR
4) Josh Graves - 2.87 era, 2-4, 50 saves, 104 K's, 1.6 WAR
5) Dan Nielson - 8 GS, 15-4, 31 saves, 2.46 era, 90 K's, 2.5 WAR

2 and 5 are mine, i think its deff Luis.
But, I have a soft spot for 5, Dan Nielson. I converted him to SP when one of my starters got hurt, and he continued to dominate. He had a bunch of wins before becoming a starter, as evident with only 8 games started and 15 wins. I think it looks cool with 15 wins and 30 saves.

So, do I stick with the normal vote should be in Luis, or give to Dan?

Cant get the poll added for some reason.
I went with Luis. I don't even think it is close despite what "WAR" says. Old fashion numbers point to Luis.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:26 PM   #9
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I say Luis Soliz, however, more information is needed. Suppose Zaire Koffi pitched for a horrible team, lead the league in innings pitched (nearly 8 per game), shutouts and complete games. Meanwhile, Luis Soliz pitched 50 less innings (6 innings per game) and his team won 110 games (hence a bloated W/L record).

One might lean towards Zaire Koffi.

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Old 10-03-2019, 03:47 PM   #10
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I think this poll is fairly accurate.
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:56 PM   #11
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yeah, ip would be key. as long as #2 isn't a 5-6ip and done type of guy. i don't give cy youngs to pitchers that can't rack up innings too.

based on how the voting went down, it sounds like all the extras added up too.

if #1 is a KB pitcher, then the 2.25 isn't luck and the crazy low whip isn't either. knuckleballers deserve a bit more attention, because what seems like a lucky year relative to other pitchers is just the norm for them in OotP (assuming cy young level talent). they can hav elow k/9, but a very low whip/XBH against and dominate. it's not fielding if they are nubbers all day. their FIP is always underrating them in ootp.

meh to the war statement. you'd be basing everything on a weighted average of several factors from a sample with high volatility. not the worst thing, but not what it is intended to do in such a precise manner like an award.

better than wins/losses, for sure. i wouldn't even look at the pitcher's record. his talent only correlates to wins, it doesn't cause them on their own. too many other important factors are relevant to simply blame or reward 1 pitcher for a loss/win, respectively.

tunnel vision is usually the worst approach. plus, this is arbitrary stuff any year it isn't a clear cut choice. in the end, if oyu don't let the computer pick, pick based on wht you like.

e.g. i'd never in a million years give it to the closer/sp and it can be quantitatively proven to be obvious based on how seldomly they played, but you think differently.. knock yourself out, because it's just an award they really don't mean much.
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Innings pitched would certainly be something I'd take into consideration. No mystery there.
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I was just posting what I saw on the standings page. I could go all in depth, but just giving the basics.

I was just seeing if Nielson, irl, would have a chance going from closer to starter with those numbers. But the other guys had great seasons too.
You want us to say who was the best pitcher, but you don't want us to go in depth?

Soliz certainly looks more dominant, based on the K's. So, we'd need to know why their WARs were so close. Did he have a lot more walks? Give up a ton more home runs? What happened?
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Looks like this vote is close. I'm curious to see how it plays out.
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Old 10-05-2019, 05:11 PM   #16
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My season just ended, just curious -

1) Zaire Koffi - 34 GS, 15-7, 2.25 era, 159 K's, 6.4 WAR
2) Luis Soliz - 33 GS, 19-3, 2.45 era, 270 K's, 6.7 WAR
3) Mike Gauvin - 33 GS, 15-8, 2.78 era, 189 K's, 6.5 WAR
4) Josh Graves - 2.87 era, 2-4, 50 saves, 104 K's, 1.6 WAR
5) Dan Nielson - 8 GS, 15-4, 31 saves, 2.46 era, 90 K's, 2.5 WAR

2 and 5 are mine, i think its deff Luis.
But, I have a soft spot for 5, Dan Nielson. I converted him to SP when one of my starters got hurt, and he continued to dominate. He had a bunch of wins before becoming a starter, as evident with only 8 games started and 15 wins. I think it looks cool with 15 wins and 30 saves.

So, do I stick with the normal vote should be in Luis, or give to Dan?

Cant get the poll added for some reason.
I Need K/9 or BB as well as IP + WHIP to make a fair call, especially between 1 and 2, especially the WHIP for them. If 2 has a higher WHIP and lower IP than 1, it's a slam dunk for number 1 for me as an example. I mean if the WAR is that close, despite the drastic difference in Ks, then there is clearly some secondary stats that are horrendous for number 2, or are elite for number 1. Also assuming that due to volume of Ks means a far higher IP doesn't make sense.

Pitcher number 1 could be a groundballer for all we know. (Even number 3 might have better numbers as a whole than number two with how close the WAR is.)

*Edit: Looks at poll rate.... wow a lot of people who would vote for MVP when we only know HRs and OBP I guess, lol*

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I Need K/9 or BB as well as IP + WHIP to make a fair call, especially between 1 and 2, especially the WHIP for them. If 2 has a higher WHIP and lower IP than 1, it's a slam dunk for number 1 for me as an example. I mean if the WAR is that close, despite the drastic difference in Ks, then there is clearly some secondary stats that are horrendous for number 2, or are elite for number 1. Also assuming that due to volume of Ks means a far higher IP doesn't make sense.

Pitcher number 1 could be a groundballer for all we know. (Even number 3 might have better numbers as a whole than number two with how close the WAR is.)

*Edit: Looks at poll rate.... wow a lot of people who would vote for MVP when we only know HRs and OBP I guess, lol*
Maybe its because its just a poll that isnt being taken so serious?
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I Need K/9 or BB as well as IP + WHIP to make a fair call, especially between 1 and 2, especially the WHIP for them. If 2 has a higher WHIP and lower IP than 1, it's a slam dunk for number 1 for me as an example. I mean if the WAR is that close, despite the drastic difference in Ks, then there is clearly some secondary stats that are horrendous for number 2, or are elite for number 1. Also assuming that due to volume of Ks means a far higher IP doesn't make sense.

Pitcher number 1 could be a groundballer for all we know. (Even number 3 might have better numbers as a whole than number two with how close the WAR is.)

*Edit: Looks at poll rate.... wow a lot of people who would vote for MVP when we only know HRs and OBP I guess, lol*
I mean #2 has more WAR.
Not sure you're going to get far comparing HRs/OBP to WAR.
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Soliz to me is the clear winner.
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WAR is great... for me to poop on!

it may give a precise answer, but it's only moderately accurate, lol. i'd trust ootp's overall before i trust WAR, lol.
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