Sudden market-size change?

McGuiser · 04-22-2014, 02:15 PM

(iOOTP 14) I started a Majors season using an inaugural draft. First, I switched team names between the Yankees and the Phillies (I wanted to play the Phillies, but have the Yankees' monster budget).

In the middle of the draft, I checked the front office, and all was happy: I was still Philadelphia, with the astronomical market.

Then when the draft was over, I checked the front office again, and the market was "small."

What happened! Is there a workaround, like changing the names after the draft (Not that I want to go through the draft a third time?

EDIT: a few subsequent experiments lead me to think that switching team names is a problem, that I would have to re-name the Yankees with come city other than one already in the database (since changing the name of the team does not apparently change all of the workings under the hood.

Sam_15 · 04-22-2014, 06:47 PM

In my experience, market size depends on the guys you draft. If you draft a bunch of guys with big contracts ie. Cano, Cabrera, Kershaw...your market size will go up.

I've done fictonal leagues with inaugural drafts before, using a team with "Average" or an "Above average" market and after the draft, the market size moved to "small."

If you draft a ton of young guys, which you might have done, your market size will be small because they will be playing with salaries at the league minimum because they aren't arbitration-eligible yet.

Just speaking from experience. Hope this helps.

McGuiser · 04-22-2014, 07:07 PM

Yes, this helps. My draft strategy was to get four good SPs, then load up with very raw but promising prospects for development in the minors, and towards the end of the draft get the leftover old guys to actually play most of the season. This plan obviously does not work if the CPU shrinks my budget.

I have started again, running the Yankees but changing the city designation to one that is not in MLB. A peek at the Front Office suggests that the name change has not changed the budget, but if you are right this will not save my budget

I am doing this as an experiment. One unknown is what effect a bad season will have on good pitchers. You know, if Stephen Strasburg loses a lot of 2-0 games, will he go into a snit.

phillupi · 04-22-2014, 07:42 PM

This is an interesting question. I don't know the answer as I have never really looked but possibly market size could be based on the total of all the players popularity.

phillupi · 04-22-2014, 07:57 PM

Now you got me wondering. So I started a new 2014 League. And I compared all 3 markets that have 2 teams and can say that the city is not the deciding factor. To start out as follows.
LA Dodgers=Astronomical and LA Angels=Big. Chicago WS=Average and Chicago C=Below Avg. NY Y=Astronomical and NY M=Below Avg.

Sam_15 · 04-22-2014, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phillupi

This is an interesting question. I don't know the answer as I have never really looked but possibly market size could be based on the total of all the players popularity.

I don't think it's a question of popularity, just service time and skill. A guy like Jose Fernandez is popular, but he'll make the league minimum since he doesn't have the service time to get a multiyear deal for a lot of money.

In iOOTP 2013 I drafted Dustin Pedroia once, and this was before he signed that big deal with the Red Sox. He was given a 6 year deal with a $21 million salary. This is why I don't think it takes into account the player's real life contract; it just gives them a new one once they're drafted.

04-22-2014, 02:15 PM	#1
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	Sudden market-size change? (iOOTP 14) I started a Majors season using an inaugural draft. First, I switched team names between the Yankees and the Phillies (I wanted to play the Phillies, but have the Yankees' monster budget). In the middle of the draft, I checked the front office, and all was happy: I was still Philadelphia, with the astronomical market. Then when the draft was over, I checked the front office again, and the market was "small." What happened! Is there a workaround, like changing the names after the draft (Not that I want to go through the draft a third time? EDIT: a few subsequent experiments lead me to think that switching team names is a problem, that I would have to re-name the Yankees with come city other than one already in the database (since changing the name of the team does not apparently change all of the workings under the hood. Last edited by McGuiser; 04-22-2014 at 03:18 PM. Reason: additional info

04-22-2014, 07:07 PM	#3
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	This helps a lot Yes, this helps. My draft strategy was to get four good SPs, then load up with very raw but promising prospects for development in the minors, and towards the end of the draft get the leftover old guys to actually play most of the season. This plan obviously does not work if the CPU shrinks my budget. I have started again, running the Yankees but changing the city designation to one that is not in MLB. A peek at the Front Office suggests that the name change has not changed the budget, but if you are right this will not save my budget I am doing this as an experiment. One unknown is what effect a bad season will have on good pitchers. You know, if Stephen Strasburg loses a lot of 2-0 games, will he go into a snit.

04-22-2014, 06:47 PM	#2
Sam_15 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 252	In my experience, market size depends on the guys you draft. If you draft a bunch of guys with big contracts ie. Cano, Cabrera, Kershaw...your market size will go up. I've done fictonal leagues with inaugural drafts before, using a team with "Average" or an "Above average" market and after the draft, the market size moved to "small." If you draft a ton of young guys, which you might have done, your market size will be small because they will be playing with salaries at the league minimum because they aren't arbitration-eligible yet. Just speaking from experience. Hope this helps.

04-22-2014, 07:42 PM	#4
phillupi All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 814	This is an interesting question. I don't know the answer as I have never really looked but possibly market size could be based on the total of all the players popularity.

04-22-2014, 07:57 PM	#5
phillupi All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 814	Now you got me wondering. So I started a new 2014 League. And I compared all 3 markets that have 2 teams and can say that the city is not the deciding factor. To start out as follows. LA Dodgers=Astronomical and LA Angels=Big. Chicago WS=Average and Chicago C=Below Avg. NY Y=Astronomical and NY M=Below Avg.