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Ok, if it will make you any happier I will concede that there are people who don't watch every at bat (because they know it's not necessary). That still doesn't mean anyone had know Bryce Harper's exit velocity to know he's a good power hitter.
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My only argument against it in OOTP is that we don't know for a fact that it actually affects the game. We know for a fact that pitch speed in OOTP has zero effect on outcome. We need to know that exit velocity has an effect before we can consider it an important metric to be included in the game. In terms of real life baseball, I wholeheartedly agree that it's useful. |
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Why do you want people who cannot watch every inning of every game to have useful data hidden from them?
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So was that just a bad luck season? Or was it something more? Hint- I have the answer and didn't watch every one of his plate appearances. |
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It's not going to be either. In that era they didn't have high speed computers and SQL to sort out data and share it with the world. Scoresheets were kept by the official scorer who turned it into the league so put outs and assists could be credited to the correct player, and other official stats recorded and kept, and teams also had a scorer in the dugout, usually a starting pitcher on his off day. If the Yankees wanted to know the exact numbers for DiMaggio, they'd have pulled the paper sheets out of the file cabinat and had someone count. But the folks in the dugout didn't need the exact numbers. They saw balls that used to clear the fence be caught, and opposing scouts did too.
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What hidden from fans? If you want to know a guy's exit velocity, knock yourself out. I'm just saying at best all it can do is verify what you've already observed in other stats.
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From your first post in this thread, you make it sound like you hate statcast data being in OOTP and then went on to argue that you don't want it at all.
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I don't care if it's in it or not. I'm saying it won't tell me what I don't already know. You can accurately evaluate players (OOTP and real life) without it because there's other known data you can use. As another poster stated, it won't turn an apple into an orange.
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And if you see some 16 year old hit a ball 115 mph with a wooden bat, you know damn well that he's something special after that one at bat. You cannot hit a ball that hard without elite major league skills even one time and your eye cannot determine the difference between elite EV (115) and plus EV (105). |
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If he has played any baseball, his ability good or bad will show in his other stats.
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Then we send a scout to watch. That 115 hit could have been off of a guy throwing 84mph which is the upper limit of what the guy can hit. He may be incapable of hitting a breaking pitch. One hit in one a bat does not a prospect make. I need to know a lot more than the EV from one at bat. I may be looking at a raw guy who is a very long term project and a big risk, or a sure fire star like Guerrero jr. I don't know enough just by looking at his EV, in fact I know very little.
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What's funny is that EV is exactly what teams are using now when drafting. I follow the Red Sox. I know for a fact that their 2018 draft was filled with guys with above average EV. The evaluations of pick after pick were filled with comments like "another high EV guy". In any event, a scout writing down "hits the ball really really hard" vs. "hits the ball really hard" is not quite as descriptive as "hit the ball 115 mph". Last edited by zrog2000; 03-22-2019 at 02:07 PM. |
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Yes, it says he's a big strong kid with a lot of potential, something anyone who has seen him play already knows.
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