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Old 02-09-2015, 05:40 PM   #1
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Had to make the long boring drive from Shreveport to Beaumont over the weekend and one of the things being discussed on talk radio was the a possible reformatting of the NBA Playoffs. The new format being touted has the 6 division winners automatically making the playoffs and then you'd seed the next 10 best teams. What do y'all think? Do you think they could ever get owners of teams in the East to ever sign off on such a plan?
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:49 PM   #2
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Had to make the long boring drive from Shreveport to Beaumont over the weekend and one of the things being discussed on talk radio was the a possible reformatting of the NBA Playoffs. The new format being touted has the 6 division winners automatically making the playoffs and then you'd seed the next 10 best teams. What do y'all think? Do you think they could ever get owners of teams in the East to ever sign off on such a plan?
I don't have an opinion one way or another. But I don't foresee the Eastern owners having an issue. The disparity between the East and West will eventually balance back out or go the Eastern conference way.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:53 PM   #3
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So they're abandoning the idea of an Eastern and Western conference champion meeting in the finals? They'd pretty much have to if the wild card clubs are selected without regard to conference.
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I like it, but I would also give home court advantage in each series to the team with the best regular season record. Need to mitigate against lots of meaningless late regular season games.
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Old 02-09-2015, 08:19 PM   #5
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The solution is not rocket science, IMO. Just abolish the conferences, but keep the teams in their current divisions. Seed the top sixteen teams according to win-loss record. If this means that a division champion does not have home court advantage in the 1st round, that's tough. They should have won more games.

The league does not have an unbalanced schedule to the extent of that in baseball, even though the structure is identical (six 5-team divisions). I would actually tweak it a little bit to make it even more balanced, so that the split of games against western and eastern teams is almost 50/50. If it's a more balanced schedule, and the format I propose is used, then no one can complain that a deserving team has missed out on the playoffs.

I don't buy into this belief that the balance of power will eventually move back to the east. Maybe it will, but in the meantime, what is the use of letting undeserving teams from the middle of the eastern conference pack be allowed into the playoffs? It makes sense that if you have more quality teams in the playoffs, your playoff series will be a better one.

It's ridiculous that these woeful sub-.500 eastern conference teams, who currently play 52 of their 82 games AGAINST eastern conference opponents, are allowed into the playoffs at the expense of a +.500 western conference team that plays 52 of its 82 games AGAINST western conference opponents.

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Old 02-09-2015, 08:21 PM   #6
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So they're abandoning the idea of an Eastern and Western conference champion meeting in the finals? They'd pretty much have to if the wild card clubs are selected without regard to conference.
And so they should. If the two best teams in the league are from the same conference (as the conferences currently stand), there should always be the possibility that they can compete against each other in The Finals. This isn't MLB, where the AL/NL structure has always been in place.

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Old 02-09-2015, 09:37 PM   #7
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I like it, but I would also give home court advantage in each series to the team with the best regular season record.
That's how it works now. The NBA playoffs are odd in this regard in that they separate seeding from home advantage assignment. So it's possible for a lower seeded team to have home advantage in a series. (The last time this happened was in the first round of the 2011-12 playoffs when #5 seed Atlanta had the home court advantage over #4 seed Boston.)

Note as well the NBA currently has modified seeding for the top four spots in each conference in which the division winners are not guaranteed the top three seeds. If the highest-ranked wild card team has a better record than a division winner it will be seeded higher. (The lowest a division winner can be seeded in this system is #4; the highest the best wild card team can be seeded is #2.)


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The solution is not rocket science, IMO. Just abolish the conferences, but keep the teams in their current divisions.
One does not have to abolish the conferences for that. The NHL from 1974-75 through 1980-81 had a two-conference structure but conducted the playoff match-ups without regard to conference.

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The league does not have an unbalanced schedule to the extent of that in baseball, even though the structure is identical (six 5-team divisions). I would actually tweak it a little bit to make it even more balanced, so that the split of games against western and eastern teams is almost 50/50.
If each NBA club played 3 games against the other 29 teams in the league that would work out to an 87-game schedule. Five clubs played only twice would lower it to 82 games. If the clubs played twice were limited to the other conference, that would work out to 42 conference games and 40 interconference games.

Such an almost fully balanced schedule might mean some travel headaches though as some clubs would likely rack up a lot of miles. (It's not without precedent though since the NHL in 1979-80 and 1980-81 played a fully balanced schedule in which a club played 4 games against each of the 20 other opponents, in spite of the league being geographically spread out.)

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It's ridiculous that these woeful sub-.500 eastern conference teams, who currently play 52 of their 82 games AGAINST eastern conference opponents, are allowed into the playoffs at the expense of a +.500 western conference team that plays 52 of its 82 games AGAINST western conference opponents.
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And so they should. If the two best teams in the league are from the same conference (as the conferences currently stand), there should always be the possibility that they can compete against each other in The Finals. This isn't MLB, where the AL/NL structure has always been in place.
So the Super Bowl should include 2 NFC or 2 AFC teams.
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All i know is they could allow all the teams in the NBA to make the playoffs and the Knicks would fail to qualify.
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Old 02-09-2015, 11:10 PM   #10
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All i know is they could allow all the teams in the NBA to make the playoffs and the Knicks would fail to qualify.
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That's how it works now. The NBA playoffs are odd in this regard in that they separate seeding from home advantage assignment. So it's possible for a lower seeded team to have home advantage in a series. (The last time this happened was in the first round of the 2011-12 playoffs when #5 seed Atlanta had the home court advantage over #4 seed Boston.)

Note as well the NBA currently has modified seeding for the top four spots in each conference in which the division winners are not guaranteed the top three seeds. If the highest-ranked wild card team has a better record than a division winner it will be seeded higher. (The lowest a division winner can be seeded in this system is #4; the highest the best wild card team can be seeded is #2.)


One does not have to abolish the conferences for that. The NHL from 1974-75 through 1980-81 had a two-conference structure but conducted the playoff match-ups without regard to conference.

If each NBA club played 3 games against the other 29 teams in the league that would work out to an 87-game schedule. Five clubs played only twice would lower it to 82 games. If the clubs played twice were limited to the other conference, that would work out to 42 conference games and 40 interconference games.

Such an almost fully balanced schedule might mean some travel headaches though as some clubs would likely rack up a lot of miles. (It's not without precedent though since the NHL in 1979-80 and 1980-81 played a fully balanced schedule in which a club played 4 games against each of the 20 other opponents, in spite of the league being geographically spread out.)

The 2014 Philadelphia Eagles called. They'd like to subscribe to your newsletter seeing as their 10-6 record was left out of the playoffs while Carolina's 7-8-1 made it in. On hold are the 2010 Giants and Buccaneers who missed the playoffs in spite of 10-6 records while the 7-9 Seahawks made it in. The 2008 New England Patriots e-mailed, as their 11-5 record wasn't enough to make the post-season but the 8-8 record of the Chargers, 9-7 record of the Cardinals, and 10-6 record of the Vikings all were.
Don't get me started on the NFL's playoff system.
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So the Super Bowl should include 2 NFC or 2 AFC teams.
No, but the possibility for that to occur should always be there. In saying that, it's a bit more tricky in the NFL when you have such a short season in terms of total games as compared to MLB and NBA.

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If each NBA club played 3 games against the other 29 teams in the league that would work out to an 87-game schedule. Five clubs played only twice would lower it to 82 games. If the clubs played twice were limited to the other conference, that would work out to 42 conference games and 40 interconference games.

Such an almost fully balanced schedule might mean some travel headaches though as some clubs would likely rack up a lot of miles. (It's not without precedent though since the NHL in 1979-80 and 1980-81 played a fully balanced schedule in which a club played 4 games against each of the 20 other opponents, in spite of the league being geographically spread out.)


If I'm correct, it would lead to five more road games against teams from the other conference than there are now. They currently play 15 road games against the other conference, so a 33% increase. It would be pretty simple to schedule the five teams that they would only play twice each season, as they could just rotate it on a divisional basis.

Eg.

'15-'16 season: Pacific plays Atlantic twice, Southwest plays Southeast twice, Northwest plays Central twice

'16-'17 season: Pacific plays Southeast twice, Southwest plays Central twice, Northwest plays Atlantic twice

'17-'18 season: Pacific plays Central twice, Southwest plays Atlantic twice, Northwest plays Southeast twice

And then you just start over again for the next season.

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Don't get me started on the NFL's playoff system.
C'mon, let's get started!
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Had to make the long boring drive from Shreveport to Beaumont over the weekend and one of the things being discussed on talk radio was the a possible reformatting of the NBA Playoffs. The new format being touted has the 6 division winners automatically making the playoffs and then you'd seed the next 10 best teams. What do y'all think? Do you think they could ever get owners of teams in the East to ever sign off on such a plan?
I think so. The conference power shift changes drastically. In the 90s, the East was better.

I'd be all for that. It needs to happen. The East 7-8 seeds are usually jokes.

Can we just have the Wolves move to the East?

Their travel schedule is beyond ridiculous.
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Havent the NBA champion been pretty
well split between the east and west the last 10 years? Is the west dominating in the regular season matchups?
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I just wish they would shorten the first round series back to best of 5. 7 games is too many for the NBA. Actually I think all rounds should be 5 games. It works for baseball because of the rotation setup but for basketball...
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Here you go:

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I just wish they would shorten the first round series back to best of 5. 7 games is too many for the NBA. Actually I think all rounds should be 5 games. It works for baseball because of the rotation setup but for basketball...
Didn't they go to 7 games to lower the number of first round upsets?
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Didn't they go to 7 games to lower the number of first round upsets?
I thought it was for more revenue. Longer series = more games= more money.
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