stuff rating

zenzuu · 04-24-2005, 07:45 PM

what does that exactly mean?

Johnny Slick · 04-24-2005, 07:54 PM

I've always interpreted it as how much "stuff" a pitcher has on all his pitches. A guy who throws a fastball that dips and doodles all over the place will generally confuse batters a lot more than a guy with a 95mph heater that just goes straight to the plate. Movement at least in my mind is how well the pitcher moves the pitches about the strike zone.

In any case, the effects on the game are as follows: Stuff increases a pitcher's chance of striking a batter out and, by proxy, lowers his chances of giving up a hit. I think Markus also coded into the game that a pitcher with a high Stuff rating will also allow fewer hits per balls put into play. And, as with all three of the ratings, there's some bleed-over; stuff also affects, to a small degree, how many walks and homeruns a pitcher gives up.

Vris · 04-24-2005, 08:54 PM

A smaller degree, as Control and Movement deal more with the walks and homeruns, respectively.

I find Stuff to be the most important rating, in my eyes. You can even see this in real life, as a player with a lot of "stuff" on his pitches will be the most successful.

UngratefulDead · 04-24-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Slick

I've always interpreted it as how much "stuff" a pitcher has on all his pitches. A guy who throws a fastball that dips and doodles all over the place will generally confuse batters a lot more than a guy with a 95mph heater that just goes straight to the plate. Movement at least in my mind is how well the pitcher moves the pitches about the strike zone.

That's how I always figured it. Guys with high velocity fastballs but low stuff just don't have any movement, a la Jorge Sosa in real life.

Eugene Church · 04-24-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

That's how I always figured it. Guys with high velocity fastballs but low stuff just don't have any movement, a la Jorge Sosa in real life.

I had always heard that Baltimore's Ben McDonald would have done much better and given up a lot fewer home runs if he had had some movement on his fastball...it was just too straight.

Fibonacci · 04-25-2005, 12:32 AM

I've struggled with the same question, trying to figurre out exactly what "Stuff" does in OOTP. My exhaustive searches of this forum has come up with the following 2 effects of "stuff": FIrst of all, Stuff (primary rating) & good velocity & good control = more strikeouts. Secondly, Stuff also effects hits against the pitcher.

Khan · 04-25-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vris

I find Stuff to be the most important rating, in my eyes. You can even see this in real life, as a player with a lot of "stuff" on his pitches will be the most successful.

I agree. Most of the time I find Pitchers with good stuff will put up good numbers even if poorly rated in the areas. However, the opposite isn't always necessarily true.

sebastian0622 · 04-25-2005, 01:27 AM

Stuff mainly affects K's, and the OBP for batters who strike out is .000, so it's easy to see how it is important. It does also effect BABIP--or how many out of the balls hit into play fall in for hits.

I'll dissent from the majority who say that stuff is the most important rating. I personally weight movement as the most important in modern-era leagues. I kind of treat control and stuff as an inversely proportional relationship. If stuff is high enough, I worry less about control and vice versa. As long as the two combine to be respectable, there won't be too many guys on base.

Vezna31 · 04-25-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Stuff mainly affects K's, and the OBP for batters who strike out is .000, so it's easy to see how it is important. It does also effect BABIP--or how many out of the balls hit into play fall in for hits.

I'll dissent from the majority who say that stuff is the most important rating. I personally weight movement as the most important in modern-era leagues. I kind of treat control and stuff as an inversely proportional relationship. If stuff is high enough, I worry less about control and vice versa. As long as the two combine to be respectable, there won't be too many guys on base.

I agree. I rate them: Movement, Control, and Stuff in that order.

04-24-2005, 07:45 PM	#1
zenzuu Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5	stuff rating what does that exactly mean?

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Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	A smaller degree, as Control and Movement deal more with the walks and homeruns, respectively. I find Stuff to be the most important rating, in my eyes. You can even see this in real life, as a player with a lot of "stuff" on his pitches will be the most successful. __________________ None Blog it.

04-25-2005, 12:32 AM	#6
Fibonacci Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 283	I've struggled with the same question, trying to figurre out exactly what "Stuff" does in OOTP. My exhaustive searches of this forum has come up with the following 2 effects of "stuff": FIrst of all, Stuff (primary rating) & good velocity & good control = more strikeouts. Secondly, Stuff also effects hits against the pitcher. __________________ It is not certain that everything is uncertain. - Blaise Pascal

04-24-2005, 07:54 PM	#2
Johnny Slick Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,012	I've always interpreted it as how much "stuff" a pitcher has on all his pitches. A guy who throws a fastball that dips and doodles all over the place will generally confuse batters a lot more than a guy with a 95mph heater that just goes straight to the plate. Movement at least in my mind is how well the pitcher moves the pitches about the strike zone. In any case, the effects on the game are as follows: Stuff increases a pitcher's chance of striking a batter out and, by proxy, lowers his chances of giving up a hit. I think Markus also coded into the game that a pitcher with a high Stuff rating will also allow fewer hits per balls put into play. And, as with all three of the ratings, there's some bleed-over; stuff also affects, to a small degree, how many walks and homeruns a pitcher gives up.

04-25-2005, 01:27 AM	#8
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	Stuff mainly affects K's, and the OBP for batters who strike out is .000, so it's easy to see how it is important. It does also effect BABIP--or how many out of the balls hit into play fall in for hits. I'll dissent from the majority who say that stuff is the most important rating. I personally weight movement as the most important in modern-era leagues. I kind of treat control and stuff as an inversely proportional relationship. If stuff is high enough, I worry less about control and vice versa. As long as the two combine to be respectable, there won't be too many guys on base.