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Old 06-02-2006, 01:41 PM   #21
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It looks like catagory 241, objects 14685,14686, 14687 use Davis instead of a variable.

It looks like catagory 179, object 8026 also.

To the best of my knowledge, 179 is back handed catches, 241 is balls hit in air.
LOL, nice catch. Fixed.
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Old 06-02-2006, 02:49 PM   #22
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Second: The "second season" begins today in Major League as the playoffs get underway. The clubs vying for postseason supremacy in the Division Series are paired together in the following matchups: (this time it lists the matchups)

In the second one it should say "today in the Major League"
Over the course of my 8 test seasons I kept finding errors like this one. I documented them all, found about 30 of them, but instead of putting them all here I went in and searched through the xml file for all the instances of
[%leaguename] and looked at them all.

A lot of them were fine. Examples of good ones:
Playing in his first Major League game.
Major League GMs...
I'm a Major League ballplayer...
A lot weren't. Examples of not good (since nothing is bad) ones:
Major League announces...
Scouting report on Major League...
Playoffs begin today for Major League...

There's two ways to fix a lot of these, add 'the' in front, so it's The Major League announces, Scouting report for the Major League, Playoffs begin today for the Major League...
or add baseball to the end, so it's Major League baseball announces, Scouting report for Major league baseball, Playoffs begin today for Major League baseball....
Some of them have to have 'the'.
I tried anything I could think of in my mind where it would be fine (like John's league, Bear league, anything silly league) but they just don't work no matter what league name is there. But at least one is border line, and I may have gotten slap happy and added one that was fine... it shouldn't be hard to decide what should be done to fix it and I'll leave that up to you.
Anyhow, here's the list... I just put the TEXT OBJECT ID number, any notes to the side is either 2 problems in one set, another error I noticed in that set, or a question whether wording makes sense or should be added. There's 192 occasions.

Code:
2582			866			1591			4127	
1943			926			1598			4758	
1271			931			115			4759	
105			109			1415			4761	
660			1605			1417			2873	
661			1606			1418			2900	
664			1607			1422			3006	
104			1610			1423			3007	
671			1611			1427			3008	
672			1612			1428			3009	
673			1616			1429			3010	
674			1618			1430			4768	
675			1619			1432			4946	
676			1621			888			5001	
678			111			889			5004	
680			1454			891			4871	
103			1463			117			919	
703			1469			848			1790	
704			1475			853			1173	
705			1028			1369			1676	
706			1031			2215			1514	
707			1034			1490			1736	
708			1035			3953			1744	
847			1036			3972			2166	
106			1038			4461			714	
867	History????	1039			4463			716	
868			1040			3217			343	
869			1044			3264			745	
873	2nd one		1053			2741			749	
875			1055			2766			750	
876			1056			2779	2nd one		751	
877			1061			2786			752	
108			1062			3860			753	
830			113			3882			757	scoutING report?
834			1388			3145			761	
835			1390	2 of them	3466			342	
836			1391			3467			726	
837			1403			3468			729	
838			1405			3469			731	
339			114			3471			738	
879			839			3472			740	
1007			842			3473			415	
1010			843			4110				
119			844			4113				
854			845			4115				
855			846			4116				
856			1004			4118				
859			1005	season after year?	4120				
861			1589			4122				
863			1590			4125
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:01 PM   #23
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Tysok,

The problem the text team ran into with this issue is the different ways of writing league names.

For example, look at this sentence:

Today, Major League Baseball announced...

But if the league happens to be called "American Baseball League," then

Today, the American Baseball League announced... kinda sounds better.

I'm not saying you're wrong . . . I agree. It's just that there probably isn't a solution here that is going to resolve the issue for all parties, you know what I mean?

Thoughts?
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Old 06-02-2006, 03:33 PM   #24
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You're quite right. If the name of the league includes "baseball" then adding baseball to the end doesn't work. But "the" still works.

In those occasions I mentioned, can't recall all 192 of course, all of them were fixable by "the" but some could be fixed by adding "baseball" at the end... but when the league name includes baseball (American Baseball League) it doesn't work. So wouldn't it seem then that every one needs "the"?

You changed the text slightly in your example.
2 leagues,
Major League
American Baseball League
Both could very well be what someone might call the league, I agree. I don't think anyone would actually call it Major League Baseball, as that's more of a differential between Major League what.... I could be wrong of course, lots of people labeling leagues.

Then the text would say:
Today, Major League announced...
or Today, American Baseball League announced...
The first could also be fixed by "baseball" at the end, but not the second. But both need "the".
Even if the league name was generic like just John, or American League Baseball you would still be referring to a single entity comprised of several pieces. It's just labeled in such a way the "the" in front makes it seem weird, but is still technically right. God knows there's plenty of that type of thing in the English language. Also since half of them are "right" to me, it seems odd that they're not at least all uniform in being "wrong", but the size of the project could easily make that very difficult to achieve.

What do you think of that? I admit I'm not overly creative in how leagues could be named, I have my style and can't think out of that style. Can you think of one where that wouldn't still be technically correct?

It's definately not a killer, it's just annoying to me (and not overly so).
By the way, I'm astounded by the number of items in there. Huge collection of ways to say the same thing... this couldn't have been easy.
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Old 06-02-2006, 04:18 PM   #25
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Sorry, I'm bored today and wasting time till I have to go to work.

I was looking through the xml file and reading all the lines, and found a repetitive mistake that I don't feel like mentioning every occurence unless necessary.... can you do a search through the file for "OPB" and fix them? Or do I need to list them? They should all say OBP... one such occurence is in text object id 2240. I've already found 9 of these.

2240:
TEXT_OBJECT id="2240" text="[%personlink L] has batted [%batting avg] for his career, belted [%batting h word] in [%batting ab word], laced [%batting d word], [%batting t word] and unloaded [%batting hr] shots into the seats. He has also produced [%batting rbi] RBI and scored [%batting r] times. He has been in [%batting g word] and registered a [%batting slg] slugging percentage and a [%batting obp] OPB."/>

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I'll edit this later when I get a chance to recreate it and get a screen shot.

When I was hired for a Rookie level club, it referred to me as the GM even though I was only able to be the Manager. That particular announcement also indicated that I'd be able to show off my skills in the Inaugural Draft, but since I was only the manager of a minor league club, I'd be having nothing to do with the draft.
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Old 06-02-2006, 04:46 PM   #27
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can you do a search through the file for "OPB" and fix them?
Yes, and thanks for the suggestion. I tried to find/replace a lot of typical mistakes like this, but missed one. Let me know if you find more.
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Old 06-02-2006, 04:48 PM   #28
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When I was hired for a Rookie level club, it referred to me as the GM even though I was only able to be the Manager. That particular announcement also indicated that I'd be able to show off my skills in the Inaugural Draft, but since I was only the manager of a minor league club, I'd be having nothing to do with the draft.
Thanks jnshmoo. This is unfortunately a known issue to which we don't have a resolution yet. We were aware of this during beta but simply ran out of time to resolve it. Since the message is only used once per manager career, it took a backseat to getting the game out the door. I suspect this will get fixed, but probably not in the next patch...

No recreate/screenie needed on this one.
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Old 06-02-2006, 05:23 PM   #29
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Yes, and thanks for the suggestion. I tried to find/replace a lot of typical mistakes like this, but missed one. Let me know if you find more.
Just pointing out errors. The game is a little slow on my computer, got minor upgrades coming so hopefully will speed up, and I haven't figured out what to do for my universe anyhow... so at least I have something to do.

I found a couple other problems, but no time to post them yet... nothing repetitive yet like OPB though.
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Old 06-02-2006, 06:46 PM   #30
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Pretty obvious but is that kinda language allowed here? Not sure if it has some other meaning but I don't really want to know what he did to that trophy no matter how happy he was that he won it.
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hehe, now that is probably not the best choice of word I will edit it now (wasn't mine btw)
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Old 06-03-2006, 12:03 AM   #32
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Pretty obvious but is that kinda language allowed here? Not sure if it has some other meaning but I don't really want to know what he did to that trophy no matter how happy he was that he won it.
Hey, I bet the real AliG wouldn't have complained about that word...
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Here's a couple I found, been searching through the actual XML page:

Format: TEXT OBJECT ID # - clip that contains the problem - what it is
11461
"rounds first...(nl)he'll bluff a throw(nl)and retreat to the bag"
He'll bluff a throw? I saw some where it says he tries to draw a throw... don't think anyone's gonna fall for the runner bluffing a throw, and where will he throw?

2268
2278
2279
2280
"He has chalked up [%batting h] all-time hits, 16 of which have gone for extra bases"
16 instead of a variable... some guys may have more or less EBH than others.

2272
2273
2275
2276
"His lifetime OBP is [%batting avg] with a [%batting slg] slugging percentage."
Looks like it's pulling up the battings average stat instead of the OBP stat for the OBP reference.

2277
"[%batting hr word] and rung up a lifetime .333 OBP with a [%batting slg] slugging percentage. "
.333 OBP instead of a variable.

2286
"He has also walked [%batting bb] time, stolen [%batting sb] bases and put up a [%batting obp] OBP"
Should be walked [] times.

2335
"A review of his career stats reveals he has played in [%batting g word], gone to the plate [%batting ab] times"
It's pulling up his number of AB but saying it's his PA.

2337
"stepped to the plate [%batting ab] times "
Same as 2335. These may be okay I guess, just wording leads to one thing but then the call goes for something else.

2577
"And he did it [%batting g] games"
Shouldn't it be "did it in [] games?

It's been fun reading these lines, one could probably play through many seasons and never see some of them. I've just scratched the surface of them too... think I've knocked off 7 pages so far...
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I don't actually know that this is a problem.... but RBI is listed differently all over the place. I notice a lot of it in the [batteraward] area, it's listed a lot as just RBI, but most places (and at least one place in the [batteraward] areas it's listed as RBIs.

Since RBI stands for Runs Batted In it's already plural, but normally we say RBIs.... and seems it's referred mostly as RBIs through the XML page.

Either way, there's a bunch of those if that's a problem.
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Here is one that AliG definitely wouldn't have complained about. Just doing my bit to perfect and already outstanding game.



As you can see, the news headline says Glove Wizard Award Award Winners announced. My league setup has the award named as the default 'Glove Wizard Award' so the news must be adding an extra Award to the end of it.
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Here is one that AliG definitely wouldn't have complained about. Just doing my bit to perfect and already outstanding game.

As you can see, the news headline says Glove Wizard Award Award Winners announced. My league setup has the award named as the default 'Glove Wizard Award' so the news must be adding an extra Award to the end of it.
It is set up to read [awardname] award winners announced....

I would imagine alot of the award headlines and stories are set up like that, as most people wouldn't add the word "Award" in renaming the awards

If we remove that word from all stories, you would see: [awardname] winners announced. i.e. MVP winners announced..., gold glove winners announced...cy young winners announced...

Maybe removing the name will work for everyone
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I don't actually know that this is a problem.... but RBI is listed differently all over the place. I notice a lot of it in the [batteraward] area, it's listed a lot as just RBI, but most places (and at least one place in the [batteraward] areas it's listed as RBIs.

Since RBI stands for Runs Batted In it's already plural, but normally we say RBIs.... and seems it's referred mostly as RBIs through the XML page.

Either way, there's a bunch of those if that's a problem.
My thoughts were to make it just RBI for everything , as I saw news stories read 1 RBIs in the game, where 1 RBI would look better, and it would also fit more than 1 as it is plural already
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Another set of problems I noticed.

1875
"[%playerposition] hit .333 and knocked in 102 runs, while scoring 5. He hit for power as well, collecting 16 extra-base hits with 12 of them going out of the park!"
Very consistent hitter, early in the season he'll have done really well but at some point he'll peak and never do better. Missing some variables.

5130
"These numbers, combined with a [%batting obp] earned him [%subleagueabbr] Batter of the Month honors"
Don't know if that's wrong. Usually this kind of call has something telling you what it is, OBP after it or spelled out. Looks like this would say "with a .300 earned"

251
"The outstanding offensive player in the [%subleaguename] League has been picked"
I've never seen 'League' after the [subleaguename] call?

829
"undoubtedly impressed with his [%batting rbi] runs driven and [%batting r] scored"
Runs driven....... to the drive thru?

1943
"firsthand this year, today taking home the [%batteraward] in the [%subleagueabbr]"
Cumbersome, "today" should probably move to the end of that sentence.

5115
"he rocketed [%batting h word] in [%batting ab] plate appearances"
Say plate appearances but calls for his ABs

5116
"Overall this season he hit [%batting avg] and and numbered [%batting hr word] and [%batting d word] among his [%batting ebh word]."/>"
Too many "and", 3 to be exact. The double, then the extra shortly after.

5124
"[%personlink] of the [%teamlink nick] had his swing down pat all season long barrage"
"Barrage" doesn't fit.

5125
"berated enemt pitchers "
Spelling: enemy

655
"also got an OBP of [%batting obp] through [%batting g] games"
Shouldn't it be has an OBP?

1222
"He has tagged [%batting h word] with [%batting d] for doubles, [%batting t] for triples and [%batting hr word] for homers"
"For"s don't belong. The next object after this says went for doubles... etc, this one tried the same it looks like but didn't reach it. Also I've noticed [batting hr word] usually doesn't put anything behind it. I would guess this is going to say 20 HRs for homers or something.

1230
"He has [%batting bb word] and struck out [%batting k word]"
Another one like that. I've usually not seen any reference to what the [] mean unless the word "word" isn't in the [] call. So would this say struck out 20 Ks?

1257
"He has also chipped in with [%batting rbi word], [%batting r word] runs scored"
Same as 1230. Would that say 20 Rs runs scored?

1259
"He has [%batting h word], stolen [%batting sb word] and scored "
Sort of the same. Would that say stolen 20 SBs?

1268
"this year with [%batting hr word] and [%batting rbi word] RBIs."
Sort of the same again. Would that say and 20 RBI RBIs?

1285
" he is batting [%batting avg]. He has bagged [%batting h word], [%batting d word] of which went for doubles"
Same. Would that say 20 2B of which went for doubles?
Obviously not certain (don't remember or haven't seen) how [... word] ends up appearing.

1233
"He has has scored [%batting r] times"
Too many "has"s

1290
"[%personlink L] has also has swiped "
"has also has"

1321
"stepped to the plate on [%batting ab] occasions "
Talks like it should be PAs but calls ABs.

No telling how long I could go on reading this. I get quite bored. Feel free to tell me to shut up if it's not helping. Also if I'm reading those calls wrong let me know, like the [... word] call.
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My thoughts were to make it just RBI for everything , as I saw news stories read 1 RBIs in the game, where 1 RBI would look better, and it would also fit more than 1 as it is plural already
Yes. I think correctly it would be RBI for everything, especially in written form (which some are the announcer talking which might be RBIs, and some are newspaper reports which would most likely be RBI). Just noticed it and thought I'd point it out, if uniformity is the goal.
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Pretty obvious but is that kinda language allowed here? Not sure if it has some other meaning but I don't really want to know what he did to that trophy no matter how happy he was that he won it.
Boy what is your interpretation of "Shagging Fly Balls"? lol
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