Market Size Increase!?

sreem · 08-08-2013, 09:51 AM

OMG, finished my first season in fictional MLB, with my expansion Missoula Osprey finishing in 5th in the NL Central, 4 games out of a wild card spot.

At the end of the year I got a message from my owner saying that our Market Size increased (from Small to Below Average)!

I didn't even know this could happen!!!! How Cool!!! Is there anything this game CAN'T do?!

Déjà Bru · 08-08-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sreem

I didn't even know this could happen!!!! How Cool!!! Is there anything this game CAN'T do?!

Yes, but they're working on it!

Seriously, watch the market size changes. AFAIK, these are random and not related to your team's performance, like fan interest and loyalty.

Depending on your financial settings, market sizes can get skewed and adversely affect your results. You may want to take on commissioner powers and periodically tweak them here and there.

thbroman · 08-08-2013, 12:51 PM

From time to time Le Grande Orange (perhaps others too) has voiced his desire to see market size tied more realistically to the size of the city where a team is located, but I agree that the way the game handles market size now is not completely satisfactory.

sreem · 08-08-2013, 01:01 PM

I thought it was tied to the fact that my Fan Interest was so high and we outperformed expectations in our first year.

The revelation that market size isn't tied to anything is a bit of a downer.

It would be really cool if at the very start of the game it was tied to the home city of the team, and then as time went on fluctuated (very slowly) as interest in the team spread or contracted to/from the surrounding areas.

cody8200 · 08-08-2013, 01:21 PM

Deja Bru was talking about storyline related market increases. Those are tied to storylines that may or may not have anything to do with your team's success but in this case, take heart sreem, your change was tied to your fan interest being so high and your success. I know because this has been a part of the game for 3 or 4 years and I have seen it happen before I ever put storyline -based market size increases/decreases in the game (I am the one who wrote/screwed up/then tried to fix the market size storylines).

Déjà Bru · 08-08-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cody8200

Deja Bru was talking about storyline related market increases. Those are tied to storylines that may or may not have anything to do with your team's success but in this case, take heart sreem, your change was tied to your fan interest being so high and your success. I know because this has been a part of the game for 3 or 4 years and I have seen it happen before I ever put storyline -based market size increases/decreases in the game (I am the one who wrote/screwed up/then tried to fix the market size storylines).

Heh, thanks for the "mea culpa"!

Which wasn't necessary anyway.

But no, I was talking about the random changes in market sizes that are built into the game. Until a few versions ago, they could be frequent but have been since toned down. They still occur, however. This is more basic than the changes that you describe as storylines but I could stand corrected in that the ones that I am talking about might be related to strong movements in fan interest over time, as you imply. That would make sense.

Le Grande Orange · 08-08-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thbroman

From time to time Le Grande Orange (perhaps others too) has voiced his desire to see market size tied more realistically to the size of the city where a team is located ...

Someday I'll hammer out a satisfactory system. I've gotten close, but some aspects of it I still can't quite resolve to my liking.

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Originally Posted by thbroman

... but I agree that the way the game handles market size now is not completely satisfactory.

It does have the advantage of allowing the user to put a major league-level club in pretty much any location they want, regardless of its population size. I'm sure some would find it fun to put an ML team in their small home town.

That aspect should be retained, I think.

thbroman · 08-08-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Someday I'll hammer out a satisfactory system. I've gotten close, but some aspects of it I still can't quite resolve to my liking.

It does have the advantage of allowing the user to put a major league-level club in pretty much any location they want, regardless of its population size. I'm sure some would find it fun to put an ML team in their small home town.

That aspect should be retained, I think.

For sure. Without it you wouldn't have the option of parking "major league" teams virtually anywhere.

sreem · 08-09-2013, 04:38 PM

Thanks guys. I love the indepthness (is that a word?) of this game. I wanted to have similar jerseys and logos compared to the MLB Quickstart, since I use the real universe and then do an expansion.

The fact that I was able to put my team in Missoula (not sure why, Montana's nice I hear) and then have the team/market evolve over time just blows my doors off!

I am dangerously close to being completely addicted to this game, and having it take over my every waking moment. (I could quit anytime I want right now, I just don't want to!)

Déjà Bru · 08-09-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sreem

Thanks guys. I love the indepthness (is that a word?)

It is now! Watch it go viral.

08-08-2013, 09:51 AM	#1
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	Market Size Increase!? OMG, finished my first season in fictional MLB, with my expansion Missoula Osprey finishing in 5th in the NL Central, 4 games out of a wild card spot. At the end of the year I got a message from my owner saying that our Market Size increased (from Small to Below Average)! I didn't even know this could happen!!!! How Cool!!! Is there anything this game CAN'T do?! __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

08-08-2013, 01:01 PM	#4
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	I thought it was tied to the fact that my Fan Interest was so high and we outperformed expectations in our first year. The revelation that market size isn't tied to anything is a bit of a downer. It would be really cool if at the very start of the game it was tied to the home city of the team, and then as time went on fluctuated (very slowly) as interest in the team spread or contracted to/from the surrounding areas. __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

08-08-2013, 01:21 PM	#5
cody8200 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,431	Deja Bru was talking about storyline related market increases. Those are tied to storylines that may or may not have anything to do with your team's success but in this case, take heart sreem, your change was tied to your fan interest being so high and your success. I know because this has been a part of the game for 3 or 4 years and I have seen it happen before I ever put storyline -based market size increases/decreases in the game (I am the one who wrote/screwed up/then tried to fix the market size storylines). __________________ Web Design and Digital Marketing Agency - Sharp Guys Web Design - Twitter: @sharpguysweb

08-09-2013, 04:38 PM	#9
sreem All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 673	Thanks guys. I love the indepthness (is that a word?) of this game. I wanted to have similar jerseys and logos compared to the MLB Quickstart, since I use the real universe and then do an expansion. The fact that I was able to put my team in Missoula (not sure why, Montana's nice I hear) and then have the team/market evolve over time just blows my doors off! I am dangerously close to being completely addicted to this game, and having it take over my every waking moment. (I could quit anytime I want right now, I just don't want to!) __________________ "What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. Except for bears....."

08-08-2013, 12:51 PM	#3
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	From time to time Le Grande Orange (perhaps others too) has voiced his desire to see market size tied more realistically to the size of the city where a team is located, but I agree that the way the game handles market size now is not completely satisfactory.