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Old 08-28-2011, 05:46 PM   #1
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Neutralized Stats

Sort of a combination of the home run thread below

But was looking at a way to neutralize the stats for a season for all players, such at to 1999 or something-
but after reading through various threads it seems like the possible choices are quite challenging

other than to go into each and every player and modify the totals by hand (in this case then i might only do home runs for hitters and pitchers or too much work each season)

the question i have for the experts
1- if the season modifiers, say in 1901 is 354 homeruns 1.000
and i have now increased the power values of the players so homer totals double or triple,
would the computer still be trying to come up with a league average of 354 home runs-
or would it instead just follow the power ratings of the players, so a player whose power made him a 20 homer guy, would likely hit 20 homers?

2- as long as player develpment is on yearly recalc
then my previous years (edit) in columns would no longer appear, and the new totals as expected for 1902 would appear?
then i would go ahead with alterations to that, wo needing to have to worry about it being affected by the tinkering to the players in 1901

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Old 08-29-2011, 12:14 AM   #2
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You might find some useful info in a similar thread I started a while back, at least for the HR situation. (Though I think maybe you've read it already, if so, sorry) I haven't done any testing recently because I'm waiting for the new update to see if the various issues with free agency and arbitration get addressed. Hope this helps.


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Old 08-29-2011, 09:47 AM   #3
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You might find some useful info in a similar thread I started a while back, at least for the HR situation. (Though I think maybe you've read it already, if so, sorry) I haven't done any testing recently because I'm waiting for the new update to see if the various issues with free agency and arbitration get addressed. Hope this helps.


http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ic-league.html

hey rob
yes i read through it, all the reponses were helpful

one of the things that drew me instantly to the game was that game options page- where there were the league stats in catagories and a modifier

i thought well if a league has 1000 home runs and 2000 doubles, and i want 2000 home runs and 4000 doubles, i should just set them to 2.000

didn't quite work out that way, as we are seeing

i have found so far that any change from .901 to 1.999 does create change in the leage and player stats, once you go over that it gets hard to gage. in i guess 1903 or 1904 i had homers at 4.500 and charlie hickman led the league with 31- which from adjusted values was right about what i was looking for
do it next year and the league leader had 16. so it is hard to understand how the modifier works exactly with the league total it is modifying
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:08 PM   #4
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i have found so far that any change from .901 to 1.999 does create change in the leage and player stats, once you go over that it gets hard to gage.
This is pretty close to my experience as well, at least on the HR, it seems to work better for me on things like BB and SO. If you do any modifications of individual players, both movement and GB% for pitchers will influence the HR rate. I've taken to making some personal modifications, not perfect but it works OK.

I don't use the recalc on player development, so I can't really say much about that.
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Old 08-29-2011, 07:17 PM   #5
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hey rob
in i guess 1903 or 1904 i had homers at 4.500 and charlie hickman led the league with 31- which from adjusted values was right about what i was looking for do it next year and the league leader had 16. so it is hard to understand how the modifier works exactly with the league total it is modifying
Since the modifier modifies League Totals and not League Leader Totals the question would be how did the leaguewide totals fare? If I knew that I'd better be able to suggest a suggestion.
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Since the modifier modifies League Totals and not League Leader Totals the question would be how did the leaguewide totals fare? If I knew that I'd better be able to suggest a suggestion.
hi spritze

about ready to play 1910
i wil go back to 1909 and give you the details from that year (i should remember my modifier) and can get the homer league total from the history

....actually even better
i will autoplay a league starting in 1909- just let it run with the modifier, give you the totals
then play again in 1910 (as i have heard first year can be a bit odd) and see what the numbers of league homers turn out for 1910

drop a note in a few days
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ok
so here is how 1910 went

i had the actual numbers (so i cant remember 553 home runs or something listed)
had the modifier at 1.999

results for homeruns
AL- 451
NL- 363
Total 814

increase 1.460

V Cambell led in nl with 19, Ty Cobb led the AL with 23 (he also picked up a .437 batting average...yikes, what a year!)


also going to get curious to see if you just pick a yearly modifier for all game play (say 2001) and run through a few years with historical leagues and see how that plays out (of course early baseball changes with 5 man rotations, so might have to modify the top slightly- relievers, starters for older seasons)
curious to see the numbers.
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1910 for me .......361 HRs * 1.999 modifier means the leagues should have 722 total. The total I get is 689 = 95% of the target. Close enough for me.

Make sure to add your personal modifier after Opening Day or it gets overwroted.
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