Is "tanking" common?

lencombs · 10-08-2019, 09:08 PM

This is just my 2nd week playing perfect team. I made the Iron WS 1st season but lost in 7 games. So now I'm promoted to Bronze, and i'm leading the division, but the league leader is this guy, with 100-95 starters all over his staff and lineup. He clearly tanks to get back to the lower divisions as he won the silver WS then got demoted 3 years in a row after that with ridiculously bad records.

Why do they do that? Too earn more trophy's, and is it easier to earn Perfect Points? Kind of disheartening seeing an all star roster like he has, with little chance to compete. His 5th starter is better than my ace, but we're still just a couple games behind so we'll keep chopping wood.

Sipimi · 10-08-2019, 10:04 PM

Report the team, if there is a violation of the rules, the devs will issue a warning or kick the team.

lencombs · 10-08-2019, 10:31 PM

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm not that concerned about it to report someone.

It did get me to thinking of some sort of power check at each League Level, Like if the cumulative average rating of your starters and staff is above 90.0 you cant play a bronze league game, would have to bench some superstars until get the team rating right down to the max. Like EA Fifa Soccer runs weekend tourneys if ever played those.

Magus978 · 10-08-2019, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lencombs

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm not that concerned about it to report someone.

It did get me to thinking of some sort of power check at each League Level, Like if the cumulative average rating of your starters and staff is above 90.0 you cant play a bronze league game, would have to bench some superstars until get the team rating right down to the max. Like EA Fifa Soccer runs weekend tourneys if ever played those.

Problem is that let's say you're in bronze and you open some packs...and you find a perfect legend...say, perfect Walter Johnson. It would be cruel to tell a player that no, you cannot use your newly packed best pitcher in the game (IMO) until you get good and promote to like gold.

Noble thought, but just wouldn't work in PT.

lencombs · 10-08-2019, 10:47 PM

25 man roster team cumulative, average rating limits would look something like this:

100 +above - Perfect Team League
95-100 - Diamond League
90-95 - Gold League
85-90 - Silver League
80 - 85 - Bronze
80- Below Iron

I basically have a diamond level team in my bronze league this season.

lencombs · 10-08-2019, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus978

Problem is that let's say you're in bronze and you open some packs...and you find a perfect legend...say, perfect Walter Johnson. It would be cruel to tell a player that no, you cannot use your newly packed best pitcher in the game (IMO) until you get good and promote to like gold.

Noble thought, but just wouldn't work in PT.

That's why I suggested a power level check, can play his new awesome card, but will have to bench some one to get under the required cumulative player level limits for the league.

joehart · 10-09-2019, 12:03 AM

Not sure I agree with putting restrictions in place. It may not resolve the problem you are trying to solve.

A whale can still afford and put all the best meta cards together from the lower levels to beat up on lesser teams.

Let the whales and good teams climb and move towards better levels....
BUT find a way to remove the teams that do it over and over in a deliberate attempt to collect trophies/points from lower levels.

We reported a similar team the other week that collected trophies for iron, bronze and silver over and over using even better high end historic players.

I bet he was upset when he lost to a defense oriented contact team in the silver league championship.

I don’t know if there is a perfect solution.
Maybe remove trophies awarded for all seasons that the teams cheated?
Maybe remove points awarded during those seasons?
Maybe remove seasons and W/L record for those seasons?
Maybe remove the teams altogether ?

While I don’t believe the problem is as big as we often think it is, it still causes frustration to players that get shuffled into the same leagues.

Semtextual · 10-09-2019, 07:52 AM

Of course, its clear that the most fun thing for a lot of teams here is to win 80% of the games every year. Some teams do this through being a Whale and some teams by tanking.

funseeker · 10-09-2019, 09:01 AM

Copied from Terms of Service: (c) Cheat, deliberately lose, trade wins or Perfect Points, "feed" wins or Perfect Points from one account to another via the auction house or any other method, or otherwise fail to make a good-faith effort to play the game in a fashion intended to win via fair gameplay according to the intended operation of the game.

You should report this team.

Orcin · 10-09-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lencombs

Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm not that concerned about it to report someone.

See something, say something. The developers cannot be everywhere and need these reports to keep the game clean for everyone.

Ty Cobb · 10-09-2019, 09:34 AM

We can't keep the pool clean if we don't all net the debris floating in it...please report them.

daves · 10-09-2019, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lencombs

This is just my 2nd week playing perfect team. I made the Iron WS 1st season but lost in 7 games. So now I'm promoted to Bronze, and i'm leading the division, but the league leader is this guy, with 100-95 starters all over his staff and lineup. He clearly tanks to get back to the lower divisions as he won the silver WS then got demoted 3 years in a row after that with ridiculously bad records.

Why do they do that? Too earn more trophy's, and is it easier to earn Perfect Points? Kind of disheartening seeing an all star roster like he has, with little chance to compete. His 5th starter is better than my ace, but we're still just a couple games behind so we'll keep chopping wood.

Nevermind

lencombs · 10-11-2019, 11:45 PM

Thanks for the replies, i'm old time player first time perfect teamer - just sharing my experience in here

Arobbins · 10-13-2019, 02:12 AM

This is why we need tournaments. No safe guard to prevent this

10-08-2019, 09:08 PM	#1
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 533	Is "tanking" common? This is just my 2nd week playing perfect team. I made the Iron WS 1st season but lost in 7 games. So now I'm promoted to Bronze, and i'm leading the division, but the league leader is this guy, with 100-95 starters all over his staff and lineup. He clearly tanks to get back to the lower divisions as he won the silver WS then got demoted 3 years in a row after that with ridiculously bad records. Why do they do that? Too earn more trophy's, and is it easier to earn Perfect Points? Kind of disheartening seeing an all star roster like he has, with little chance to compete. His 5th starter is better than my ace, but we're still just a couple games behind so we'll keep chopping wood. Attached Images __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

10-08-2019, 10:31 PM	#3
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 533	Ok, thanks for the advice. I'm not that concerned about it to report someone. It did get me to thinking of some sort of power check at each League Level, Like if the cumulative average rating of your starters and staff is above 90.0 you cant play a bronze league game, would have to bench some superstars until get the team rating right down to the max. Like EA Fifa Soccer runs weekend tourneys if ever played those. __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

10-08-2019, 10:47 PM	#5
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 533	25 man roster team cumulative, average rating limits would look something like this: 100 +above - Perfect Team League 95-100 - Diamond League 90-95 - Gold League 85-90 - Silver League 80 - 85 - Bronze 80- Below Iron I basically have a diamond level team in my bronze league this season. __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

10-09-2019, 12:03 AM	#7
joehart All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,131	Not sure I agree with putting restrictions in place. It may not resolve the problem you are trying to solve. A whale can still afford and put all the best meta cards together from the lower levels to beat up on lesser teams. Let the whales and good teams climb and move towards better levels.... BUT find a way to remove the teams that do it over and over in a deliberate attempt to collect trophies/points from lower levels. We reported a similar team the other week that collected trophies for iron, bronze and silver over and over using even better high end historic players. I bet he was upset when he lost to a defense oriented contact team in the silver league championship. I don’t know if there is a perfect solution. Maybe remove trophies awarded for all seasons that the teams cheated? Maybe remove points awarded during those seasons? Maybe remove seasons and W/L record for those seasons? Maybe remove the teams altogether ? While I don’t believe the problem is as big as we often think it is, it still causes frustration to players that get shuffled into the same leagues. __________________

10-09-2019, 09:34 AM	#11
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 3,935 Blog Entries: 65	We can't keep the pool clean if we don't all net the debris floating in it...please report them. __________________ “What’s the most you ever lost on a coin toss?” “Everyone is an atheist until Templars begin marching in the rain.” Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder. Society's tolerance for violent criminals is dumbfounding. "Alinsky works for me now."

10-08-2019, 10:04 PM	#2
Sipimi Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 285	Report the team, if there is a violation of the rules, the devs will issue a warning or kick the team.

10-09-2019, 07:52 AM	#8
Semtextual Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 40	Of course, its clear that the most fun thing for a lot of teams here is to win 80% of the games every year. Some teams do this through being a Whale and some teams by tanking.

10-09-2019, 09:01 AM	#9
funseeker Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 35	Copied from Terms of Service: (c) Cheat, deliberately lose, trade wins or Perfect Points, "feed" wins or Perfect Points from one account to another via the auction house or any other method, or otherwise fail to make a good-faith effort to play the game in a fashion intended to win via fair gameplay according to the intended operation of the game. You should report this team.

10-11-2019, 11:45 PM	#13
lencombs All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Eureka, Ca Posts: 533	Thanks for the replies, i'm old time player first time perfect teamer - just sharing my experience in here __________________ "A passion for statistics is the earmark of a literate people." - Paul Fisher "Baseball isn't statistics. Baseball is (Joe) DiMaggio rounding second." - Jimmy Cannon

10-13-2019, 02:12 AM	#14
Arobbins Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 132	This is why we need tournaments. No safe guard to prevent this __________________ 20 21