AI Cheats or Does it Predict?

John McGraw · 04-25-2018, 03:33 PM

Two issues:

I'm managing the Washington Nationals. Bryce Harper dropped from .486 to .215 after 10 games. Then during one game, the flame icon pops up next to his name. He was hitting about .250.

In the next 5 games, he won Player of the Week, hit 4 homers and drove in 11 runs, AFTER the flame icon. Prediction or Pre-determined outcome?

Next, Nationals winning in the 9th 4-2. I have a relief pitcher in. He walks two. No outs. I try bringing in my closer, once, twice, three times, and each time he does not enter the game. I pitch using the reliever to keep the action going and I cross my fingers. He walks two runs home and hits a batter. I lose the game without giving up a hit.

AI Cheats?

eldur00 · 04-25-2018, 03:45 PM

Oh, it's the annual AI cheats thread.

/grabs popcorn

John McGraw · 04-25-2018, 03:51 PM

Nope, not complaining.

Just asking, in a provocative way, if this is typical. Does the AI predict a player's performance and are there ways manual players cannot make changes.

Not looking for an argument, just wondering.

Orcin · 04-25-2018, 03:56 PM

No and no. In the second case, you did something wrong. Impossible for anyone else to know what it was.

Reggie · 04-25-2018, 03:57 PM

The AI cheats. One time I was the Mets and won the World Series in game seven. When I clicked leave game OOTP crashed to the desk top (version 18). The last game wasn't saved so I simmed game 7 and lost. Of course the game didn't crash that time.

drksd4848 · 04-25-2018, 04:01 PM

The only thing I can say - and this may or may not apply to this case - is to carefully watch real MLB (although I can't without vomiting). You see that things in real life that are not that far off from OOTP.

Let me put it another way: think of all the weird things that have happened through out the history of real major league baseball. Imagine if they happened in OOTP? We'd all say it was a bug, or the AI was cheating, no?

The other thing is this: if you see a player going on an un-real hot streak, or a game ends in a way that "seems" predetermined, crash it and try again. You'll get a very different outcome.

(BTW, I always notice the flame pops up after a player has had a couple of good games. Not at the end of a miserable slump.

ohiodevil · 04-25-2018, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reggie

The AI cheats. One time I was the Mets and won the World Series in game seven. When I clicked leave game OOTP crashed to the desk top (version 18). The last game wasn't saved so I simmed game 7 and lost. Of course the game didn't crash that time.

The Mets have replaced the Cubs as the team that is not allowed to win the World Series in OOTP....it's hard coded....

D-BacksJosh · 04-25-2018, 04:10 PM

my favorite is when the AI pinch hits with a guy off the bench who's ratings are all on in the red and an average below the mendoza line... and he proceeds to hit a walk-off homerun against my all-star closer... Now how would it know to do that, cheating bastard!

Scott Vibert · 04-25-2018, 04:47 PM

The flame icon only appears after a certain level of short-term performance, indicating the player is on a hot streak. In this case the batter gained 40 points on his average over X games, so it would seem he was having some good games prior to getting the icon. In the end he's a highly rated player, a big week and some big numbers should be expected, particularly over a short interval.

Whoofe · 04-25-2018, 05:19 PM

is the AI using Apple watches?

RchW · 04-25-2018, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Vibert

The flame icon only appears after a certain level of short-term performance, indicating the player is on a hot streak. In this case the batter gained 40 points on his average over X games, so it would seem he was having some good games prior to getting the icon. In the end he's a highly rated player, a big week and some big numbers should be expected, particularly over a short interval.

I've seen good players go 7-10 days hot, then cool off but not slump and then get hot again. For the OP see "The Book" by Tango et al for info on hot and cold streaks.

Will_L · 04-25-2018, 06:07 PM

I get the "x" player on my team hits 3 home runs in a game and gets hurt for 3-4 months immediately afterward.

Qeltar · 04-25-2018, 06:10 PM

Lots of small sample sizes and confirmation bias kicking around this thread.

rjl518 · 04-25-2018, 06:16 PM

Thank you!
There is someone else who believes that the AI still CHEATS!

Bunktown Ballers · 04-25-2018, 08:01 PM

AI is artificial, so how can it cheat?
Just saying...Think About It
BB

Lukas Berger · 04-25-2018, 09:12 PM

rjl518 · 04-25-2018, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

There is NO crying in OOTP Baseball!

Qeltar · 04-26-2018, 02:01 PM

I have a guy who was absolutely tearing up the league until recently. Now he can't buy a hit.

He's 4 for his last 29.

It's frustrating and it FEELS like somehow the game is cheating, but this is very much part of baseball.

BirdWatcher · 04-26-2018, 02:16 PM

I have had so many of those moments when I become (almost) completely convinced that the game is rigged, that the outcome has been preordained and I have no chance no matter what I or my team does (I particularly get this feeling in the post-season.) And then I just have to calmly talk myself down off the ledge of paranoia.

One way I comfort myself is by seeing how many of the developers, by the evidence of this forum, play the game all the time themselves. And I figure, well, they wouldn't really create a game that would cheat against them, would they?

Noone_Uknow · 04-26-2018, 02:16 PM

**Places tongue firmly in cheek**

Of course the game cheats, but not in the way you'd originally think...Here are some examples I've uncovered of how the game has cheated. Please note, these are examples of the game cheating and not me making mistakes :

* If I have an early morning meeting and want to try and play a game before going to bed, the game knows this and the game I'm playing will go into extra innings. The number of innings is directly proportionate to the importance of the morning meeting...

* If you trade or sign for an Iron Man veteran, they will get injured within 2 weeks of being acquired

* If you trade a middle of the road prospect (or, even worse - leave them unprotected at the Rule V draft), that player will become the next Bryce Harper/Mike Trout and proceed to dominate your league, while the solid contributor you picked up will struggle to the point where you want to cut them

* If one of your players is on a hot streak, it will end when they come up in the 9th inning with the bases loaded of a playoff game when your team is down by 1 run with 1 out. (Pre-scripted for a double play!)

* If one of the players on the other team is on a cold streak, it will end if you are in contention, usually at moments that most hurt your team

**Removed tongue from cheek**

The games doesn't cheat, although I am not convinced there aren't OOTP Gods the same way there are Baseball Gods

04-25-2018, 03:33 PM	#1
John McGraw Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 56	AI Cheats or Does it Predict? Two issues: I'm managing the Washington Nationals. Bryce Harper dropped from .486 to .215 after 10 games. Then during one game, the flame icon pops up next to his name. He was hitting about .250. In the next 5 games, he won Player of the Week, hit 4 homers and drove in 11 runs, AFTER the flame icon. Prediction or Pre-determined outcome? Next, Nationals winning in the 9th 4-2. I have a relief pitcher in. He walks two. No outs. I try bringing in my closer, once, twice, three times, and each time he does not enter the game. I pitch using the reliever to keep the action going and I cross my fingers. He walks two runs home and hits a batter. I lose the game without giving up a hit. AI Cheats?

04-25-2018, 06:16 PM	#14
rjl518 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Born in Shea Stadium, lives in LoanDepot Park. Posts: 6,240	Thank you! There is someone else who believes that the AI still CHEATS! __________________ My Threads: MLB Project 32 by SFGiants58 "Colon looking for his 1st hit of the year and he DRIVES ONE! Deep left field! Back goes Upton! Back near the wall! ITS OUTTA HERE!!! Bartolo has done it!!! THE IMPOSSIBLE HAS HAPPENED!!! This is one of the great moments in the history of baseball! Bartolo Colon has gone deep!" ---Gary Cohen. (May 7, 2016) (Petco Park) NYM 6 @ SD 3

04-25-2018, 09:12 PM	#16
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04-25-2018, 03:45 PM	#2
eldur00 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 506	Oh, it's the annual AI cheats thread. /grabs popcorn

04-25-2018, 03:51 PM	#3
John McGraw Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 56	Nope, not complaining. Just asking, in a provocative way, if this is typical. Does the AI predict a player's performance and are there ways manual players cannot make changes. Not looking for an argument, just wondering.

04-25-2018, 03:56 PM	#4
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,798	No and no. In the second case, you did something wrong. Impossible for anyone else to know what it was.

04-25-2018, 03:57 PM	#5
Reggie Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 442	The AI cheats. One time I was the Mets and won the World Series in game seven. When I clicked leave game OOTP crashed to the desk top (version 18). The last game wasn't saved so I simmed game 7 and lost. Of course the game didn't crash that time.

04-25-2018, 04:01 PM	#6
drksd4848 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,815 Blog Entries: 1	The only thing I can say - and this may or may not apply to this case - is to carefully watch real MLB (although I can't without vomiting). You see that things in real life that are not that far off from OOTP. Let me put it another way: think of all the weird things that have happened through out the history of real major league baseball. Imagine if they happened in OOTP? We'd all say it was a bug, or the AI was cheating, no? The other thing is this: if you see a player going on an un-real hot streak, or a game ends in a way that "seems" predetermined, crash it and try again. You'll get a very different outcome. (BTW, I always notice the flame pops up after a player has had a couple of good games. Not at the end of a miserable slump.

04-25-2018, 04:10 PM	#8
D-BacksJosh Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 875	my favorite is when the AI pinch hits with a guy off the bench who's ratings are all on in the red and an average below the mendoza line... and he proceeds to hit a walk-off homerun against my all-star closer... Now how would it know to do that, cheating bastard!

04-25-2018, 04:47 PM	#9
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,182	The flame icon only appears after a certain level of short-term performance, indicating the player is on a hot streak. In this case the batter gained 40 points on his average over X games, so it would seem he was having some good games prior to getting the icon. In the end he's a highly rated player, a big week and some big numbers should be expected, particularly over a short interval.

04-25-2018, 05:19 PM	#10
Whoofe All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 590	is the AI using Apple watches?

04-25-2018, 06:07 PM	#12
Will_L All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Laurelton, NY Posts: 590	I get the "x" player on my team hits 3 home runs in a game and gets hurt for 3-4 months immediately afterward.

04-25-2018, 06:10 PM	#13
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	Lots of small sample sizes and confirmation bias kicking around this thread.

04-25-2018, 08:01 PM	#15
Bunktown Ballers All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,371 Infractions: 0/1 (2)	AI is artificial, so how can it cheat? Just saying...Think About It BB

04-26-2018, 02:01 PM	#18
Qeltar Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 382	I have a guy who was absolutely tearing up the league until recently. Now he can't buy a hit. He's 4 for his last 29. It's frustrating and it FEELS like somehow the game is cheating, but this is very much part of baseball.

04-26-2018, 02:16 PM	#19
BirdWatcher Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 4,262	I have had so many of those moments when I become (almost) completely convinced that the game is rigged, that the outcome has been preordained and I have no chance no matter what I or my team does (I particularly get this feeling in the post-season.) And then I just have to calmly talk myself down off the ledge of paranoia. One way I comfort myself is by seeing how many of the developers, by the evidence of this forum, play the game all the time themselves. And I figure, well, they wouldn't really create a game that would cheat against them, would they?

04-26-2018, 02:16 PM	#20
Noone_Uknow Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Mississauga, Ontario Posts: 58	Places tongue firmly in cheek Of course the game cheats, but not in the way you'd originally think...Here are some examples I've uncovered of how the game has cheated. Please note, these are examples of the game cheating and not me making mistakes : * If I have an early morning meeting and want to try and play a game before going to bed, the game knows this and the game I'm playing will go into extra innings. The number of innings is directly proportionate to the importance of the morning meeting... * If you trade or sign for an Iron Man veteran, they will get injured within 2 weeks of being acquired * If you trade a middle of the road prospect (or, even worse - leave them unprotected at the Rule V draft), that player will become the next Bryce Harper/Mike Trout and proceed to dominate your league, while the solid contributor you picked up will struggle to the point where you want to cut them * If one of your players is on a hot streak, it will end when they come up in the 9th inning with the bases loaded of a playoff game when your team is down by 1 run with 1 out. (Pre-scripted for a double play!) * If one of the players on the other team is on a cold streak, it will end if you are in contention, usually at moments that most hurt your team Removed tongue from cheek The games doesn't cheat, although I am not convinced there aren't OOTP Gods the same way there are Baseball Gods